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VikeSince70


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purple Faithful wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
The bigger question is, who do you replace Allen with? 4-3 De is one of the hardest positions to draft and the picks your trading Allen for, your likely just going to be using on a DE that will be know where near as impactful as Allen is right now and over the next 5+ years (i dont buy that he wouldnt resign with the team if they are showing progress).
Hoping for the Lebron James hometown loyalty? Couple points:
1. Lebron didn't sign at home.
2. This isn't Jared's home.
3. The head coach he came here for is gone.
4. Les Frazier is very unlikely to be the coach in 2013 as Vikings fans are nothing if not impatient.

Soooo, most every one he knows will be gone (including players like ray edwards Kwill, & Phat) & he doesn't live here, but we assume Jared Allen likes the weather & will stay? Laughing

I'd want more than 2 1sts, as he can get a decent team a championship.


Frazier has already gone on record saying the Vikings fans wants wins now and if he does not produce he may not be around in the future.

I beleive this is why Frazier did not give rookies a shot last year as he wanted to sneak out as many wins as possible. Allen and Robison both played over 85% of the snaps last year I thought I heard.

It was a great move to take control away from Frazier as far as who was on the team because he is not giving enough play time to the young players to see who we have. Case in point was the Washington game last year. Why did we play the vets the whole game as opposed to letting the young players play. By then the season was over and if we lost by giving the young players valuable playing time we would be picking #2 this year! We can only dream about this as it is in the books /sigh
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Purple Faithful


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Frazier looked like he had just won the superbowl at the post-washington win press conference instead of selecting 3rd in a draft with two players that potentially makes a coach a household name. Maybe end up on TV & take Dungy's spot.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEs can last well into their 30's. Allen like other elite DEs may very well have 4-5, maybe 6+ years of great football left. No team thinks 6 years into the future, just like no investor or business does. You can't predict what will happen by then so don't try and build a platform around it. Stick with what you know works, particularly if it still has some long term value.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see; I think I can recall a similar thread about the following players:

AP
KWill
McKinnie
maybe Winfield, EJH, Webb, and Gerhart?


And I'm almost certain a few threads were created about trading BBerrian and MWilliams in the distant past. Maybe Robison?

but I'm not sure and don't care to search for them.

I think we're running low on players to consider trading.

I can see trying to unload Allen's salary, but the return in draft picks is not going to be worth it.

Most teams trade players with plenty of years ahead of them if there is a reason to unload a player in a position of great depth; e.g. the DL MN traded a few years back. Or, there are those Randy Moss situations. Allen doesn't fall into any of those categories.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In another thread we discussed this and one point made that changed my mind was that Allen may sign an extension with the Vikings because they took a risk on him when he wanted a long term contract.

I beleive now that Allen will sign an extension with the Vikings as long as he see's an improvement over the next 2 years.

I say keep Allen unless the Vikings gets an Walker type trade then the Vikings would have to feel compelled to take that trade or be rediculed in the press.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting thought . . . how hard did the Vikes try to get an established DE in the decade since Chris Doleman?

Two 1st Rd picks used in Udeze and James; niether worked. Ask Jacksonville how well their pursuit has gone for DEs. And when the team was rolling on offense with Birk, McKinney, Culpepper, Bennett and Moss, did they have a DE? Did the opposing OLines and QBs fear the vaunted Vikes pass rush of 2000 - 2008? Mmmmmm, not so much . . .

Now, Red was the major villan in that time frame? and he could've landed one in FA - Jevon Kearse? He didn't do it.

Now the Vikes have a perrenial All-Pro DE, respected and feared, selling tickets and making a shambles of a defensive backfield hold onto the prayer they don't get picked on like kindergartners . . . yeah, a good CB and an intimdating SS will help the team tremendously . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

98TillInfinity wrote:
If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.


Nice. I like that kind of thinking.

You have to take care of your own. Allen is not only the heart of this defense but also the face of the team alongside Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin and Chad Greenway.

He does not deserve to be traded. He is a game-changer.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurpleMugen wrote:
98TillInfinity wrote:
If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.


Nice. I like that kind of thinking.

You have to take care of your own. Allen is not only the heart of this defense but also the face of the team alongside Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin and Chad Greenway.

He does not deserve to be traded. He is a game-changer.
AAaand, Spielman likes the 3-4; Frazier will likely get fired with 6 wins or less; new coach implements 3-4, Allen is non-programic fit & walks for nothing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purple Faithful wrote:
PurpleMugen wrote:
98TillInfinity wrote:
If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.


Nice. I like that kind of thinking.

You have to take care of your own. Allen is not only the heart of this defense but also the face of the team alongside Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin and Chad Greenway.

He does not deserve to be traded. He is a game-changer.
AAaand, Spielman likes the 3-4; Frazier will likely get fired with 6 wins or less; new coach implements 3-4, Allen is non-programic fit & walks for nothing.


There is this thing called the franchise tag Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Purple Faithful wrote:
PurpleMugen wrote:
98TillInfinity wrote:
If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.


Nice. I like that kind of thinking.

You have to take care of your own. Allen is not only the heart of this defense but also the face of the team alongside Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin and Chad Greenway.

He does not deserve to be traded. He is a game-changer.
AAaand, Spielman likes the 3-4; Frazier will likely get fired with 6 wins or less; new coach implements 3-4, Allen is non-programic fit & walks for nothing.


There is this thing called the franchise tag Wink
Good luck getting Value, if you clear the cap space & don't need to sign someone else during free agency. Or, how'd it work out for the pack franchising Flynn? Allen doesn't have the value in the 3-4 for us to risk a franchise tag, if we're cap tight. just a guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the lack of activity in free agency this year and the youth movement underway, i cant imagine this team having many cap issues going forward.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purple Faithful wrote:
PurpleMugen wrote:
98TillInfinity wrote:
If I was running things Allen would have already been extended another four years.


Nice. I like that kind of thinking.

You have to take care of your own. Allen is not only the heart of this defense but also the face of the team alongside Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin and Chad Greenway.

He does not deserve to be traded. He is a game-changer.
AAaand, Spielman likes the 3-4; Frazier will likely get fired with 6 wins or less; new coach implements 3-4, Allen is non-programic fit & walks for nothing.


Where did you get Spielman likes the 3-4 over the 4-3 ? Personally I like the 4-3 set-up and want the Vikings to keep it. We have run this since the Purple People Eaters! Tradition is key Smile
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