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| iknowcool wrote: | Fair enough. Reading more into it, it does sound doubtful though it wouldn't surprise me if it was ever proven to be true with everything else that has came out with how Gregg Williams went about business.
Last thing - does anybody know when the suspensions are supposed to be revealed? I'm sure New Orleans has an idea of who the NFL is contemplating suspending but with the draft arriving soon, I'm sure they'd prefer to know for sure. |
I've heard that player suspensions have been pushed back to next week. Something about Goodell and the NFLPA having communication issues and not cooperating with one another. It's kind of a no win for the NFLPA. They're trying to play both prosecutor and defense on the same case.
I would have to think the Saints have a gameplan in place regardless. It would of been nice to know the suspensions before the draft though. The thing I'm really looking forward to once the suspensions are levied, is how exactly they're going to do it. Let's say hypothetically, 14 players receive suspensions ranging from 1-8 games. Which players sit which games and who decides? I can't imagine the league making all 14 miss the same game(s).
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I just had two thoughts that maybe the FFNation could shine some light on.
First of all - What was with Joe Vitt at the press conference the other day? He was saying "at no time did any of our players ever cross the white line with the intention of hurting another player". Didn't we already settle this? Hasn't Gregg Williams already admitted there was a program that paid players to hurt other players? Didn't Roger Goodell suspend them because of the program? Who is he trying to kid? Just admit that there was a system in place where you paid your defense to take out the opposition. Admit your mistake and move on. What was that all about? Seems delusional or in denial to me.
Secondly - I just read on NFL.com that Sean Payton is going to be taking the year off and coaching his 12 year old son's football team. Let me say that I don't blame the guy for wanting to spend time with his son but here's how I look at it. If you're the Saints (or Saints fan) do you want Payton to be treating this like a year-long vacation? I'd think you have an amazing opportunity as a head coach to really dig deep and watch more game film. Scout more college prospects first hand. I applaud the guy for being a family man and spending time with the family but him coming out and saying "I'm looking forward to doing this fall is helping coach my son's football team and doing a few things that you normally wouldn't be able to do (while coaching in the NFL)" and "I look forward to cutting the oranges, hauling the Gatorade and watching my son play every game -- and being a part of calling plays for his offense and doing some things like that that really get me excited and I know get him excited." I should mention too that this interview was after Payton just finished a round of golf. Calling plays for a pee-wee team is not going to help the Saints in 2013. Maybe I'm being too critical but for me it speaks to a guy who isn't focused on doing everything he possibly can to come back better than ever and helping his team win a Superbowl in 2013. How do Saints fans feel?
Lastly - How does Roger Goodell feel about this? I think if you're Goodell, you don't want Payton to take this suspension lightly. Remember - he has to apply for reinstatement after the year, it's not automatic.
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| SwiftTexan wrote: | I just had two thoughts that maybe the FFNation could shine some light on.
First of all - What was with Joe Vitt at the press conference the other day? He was saying "at no time did any of our players ever cross the white line with the intention of hurting another player". Didn't we already settle this? Hasn't Gregg Williams already admitted there was a program that paid players to hurt other players? Didn't Roger Goodell suspend them because of the program? Who is he trying to kid? Just admit that there was a system in place where you paid your defense to take out the opposition. Admit your mistake and move on. What was that all about? Seems delusional or in denial to me.
Secondly - I just read on NFL.com that Sean Payton is going to be taking the year off and coaching his 12 year old son's football team. Let me say that I don't blame the guy for wanting to spend time with his son but here's how I look at it. If you're the Saints (or Saints fan) do you want Payton to be treating this like a year-long vacation? I'd think you have an amazing opportunity as a head coach to really dig deep and watch more game film. Scout more college prospects first hand. I applaud the guy for being a family man and spending time with the family but him coming out and saying "I'm looking forward to doing this fall is helping coach my son's football team and doing a few things that you normally wouldn't be able to do (while coaching in the NFL)" and "I look forward to cutting the oranges, hauling the Gatorade and watching my son play every game -- and being a part of calling plays for his offense and doing some things like that that really get me excited and I know get him excited." I should mention too that this interview was after Payton just finished a round of golf. Calling plays for a pee-wee team is not going to help the Saints in 2013. Maybe I'm being too critical but for me it speaks to a guy who isn't focused on doing everything he possibly can to come back better than ever and helping his team win a Superbowl in 2013. How do Saints fans feel?
Lastly - How does Roger Goodell feel about this? I think if you're Goodell, you don't want Payton to take this suspension lightly. Remember - he has to apply for reinstatement after the year, it's not automatic. |
1. He may have been talking about breaking rules to injure people. Hard to say without seeing the quote in its proper context. But trying to injure a guy while tackling him, in and of itself, isnt against any rule I am aware of.
2. As far as I know (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) Payton isnt allowed anywhere on team property while serving his suspension. I am not sure what he can do to help the team if this is the case. And I am not sure why Goodell would care. The guy is coaching his sons football team. Not making it rain at the local strip club.
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: | 1. He may have been talking about breaking rules to injure people. Hard to say without seeing the quote in its proper context. But trying to injure a guy while tackling him, in and of itself, isnt against any rule I am aware of.
2. As far as I know (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) Payton isnt allowed anywhere on team property while serving his suspension. I am not sure what he can do to help the team if this is the case. And I am not sure why Goodell would care. The guy is coaching his sons football team. Not making it rain at the local strip club. |
1. Here's the full transcript of the quote.
http://www.fox8live.com/story/17707620/transcript-joe-vitt-news-conference
2. He doesn't need to be on team property. Why isn't he scouting college prospects? Why isn't he trying to get his hands on as much game tape as possible? I just see a guy who is going to sit back and wait for 2013. He better be evaluating his team all year because he's going to be responsible for that team going forward. For some reason it just bugs me that the first thing I hear out of Sean Payton post-suspension is he's golfing and taking the year off to coach pee-wee football. I want a fiery leader who is fighting to take this unfortunate event as an advantage over the other coaches in the league. Instead of looking at it like "Hey - I've got a year off - I think I'll go coach pee-wee and cut up oranges" - I want a guy who is immediately thinking "What can I do this year to be better next year?"
I know it's a bit early and there probably isn't much he can realistically do right now - it just bothered me and wondered if anybody else felt the same.
As for why should Roger Goodell care? Because at the end of the year, he'll want to hear from a remorseful Sean Payton who will assure him that this will never happen again. When reinstatement time comes, I doubt Goodell will want to see Sean Payton rolling in from a vacation in Maui sipping on pina coladas and learning to play the steel drums. Almost inconceivably, Gregg Williams is looking the best so far in this situation. He's upfront, honest and apologetic. He's also already working on reinstatement.
Here's how I look at it. If you're a parent and you put your kid in a time-out, do you want the kid to spend the entire time out playing video games and eating candy? No - of course not. You want them to sit there and think about what they've done. You want them to take that time to consider the impact of their actions so that they can learn from what they've done. Roger Goodell put Payton in a time-out, not in recess. I'm sure part of Goodell wants to see Payton taking this a little more seriously.
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| SwiftTexan wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | 1. He may have been talking about breaking rules to injure people. Hard to say without seeing the quote in its proper context. But trying to injure a guy while tackling him, in and of itself, isnt against any rule I am aware of.
2. As far as I know (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) Payton isnt allowed anywhere on team property while serving his suspension. I am not sure what he can do to help the team if this is the case. And I am not sure why Goodell would care. The guy is coaching his sons football team. Not making it rain at the local strip club. |
1. Here's the full transcript of the quote.
http://www.fox8live.com/story/17707620/transcript-joe-vitt-news-conference
2. He doesn't need to be on team property. Why isn't he scouting college prospects? Why isn't he trying to get his hands on as much game tape as possible? I just see a guy who is going to sit back and wait for 2013. He better be evaluating his team all year because he's going to be responsible for that team going forward. For some reason it just bugs me that the first thing I hear out of Sean Payton post-suspension is he's golfing and taking the year off to coach pee-wee football. I want a fiery leader who is fighting to take this unfortunate event as an advantage over the other coaches in the league. Instead of looking at it like "Hey - I've got a year off - I think I'll go coach pee-wee and cut up oranges" - I want a guy who is immediately thinking "What can I do this year to be better next year?"
I know it's a bit early and there probably isn't much he can realistically do right now - it just bothered me and wondered if anybody else felt the same.
As for why should Roger Goodell care? Because at the end of the year, he'll want to hear from a remorseful Sean Payton who will assure him that this will never happen again. When reinstatement time comes, I doubt Goodell will want to see Sean Payton rolling in from a vacation in Maui sipping on pina coladas and learning to play the steel drums. Almost inconceivably, Gregg Williams is looking the best so far in this situation. He's upfront, honest and apologetic. He's also already working on reinstatement.
Here's how I look at it. If you're a parent and you put your kid in a time-out, do you want the kid to spend the entire time out playing video games and eating candy? No - of course not. You want them to sit there and think about what they've done. You want them to take that time to consider the impact of their actions so that they can learn from what they've done. Roger Goodell put Payton in a time-out, not in recess. I'm sure part of Goodell wants to see Payton taking this a little more seriously. |
Thanks for the transcript. Yeah, I have no idea what that dude is going on about. I dont know if he does either. This part was very puzzling.
| Quote: | Can you clarify what you meant when you said you were suspended for your spoken word and not your clinched fist?
"We never taught any of our players that when they crossed the white line to injure another player. I regret the words that were spoken at meetings. Again, I want to say this one last time and (the) players in our league already know this, what you do on the field speaks so well that there is no need to hear what you have to say. The body of work that our players have on the field has spoken well. I don't think that you acquire the players that we have and the coaches that have come here unless you're a first-class organization. That's what we have here." |
As far as the second part, I looked into it and he is completely barred from contact with anyone in the NFL. Particularly the Saints organization. No contact.
| Quote: | Under the terms of his season-long suspension for his role in New Orleans' bounty program, coach Sean Payton is not allowed to have any contact with the Saints organization or anyone around the NFL, and if he does, must report it to league executive Ray Anderson, a source familiar with the suspension tells ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Thus, when Payton's suspension began Monday, he essentially was cut off from every Saints employee and any coaching friend he has around the league until the day after the 2013 Super Bowl, when the suspension is scheduled to end. |
I am not sure how saying he is watching game film at home (maybe he will be and didnt bother mentioning it) makes him look any more remorseful than taking the year off and chillin. I mean, he was told to stay away. So he is staying away. I doubt Goodell expects the guy to join the Job Corps for a year. It seems kinda odd that you would find fault in what the guy is doing while serving his suspension.
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| SwiftTexan wrote: | I just had two thoughts that maybe the FFNation could shine some light on.
First of all - What was with Joe Vitt at the press conference the other day? He was saying "at no time did any of our players ever cross the white line with the intention of hurting another player". Didn't we already settle this? Hasn't Gregg Williams already admitted there was a program that paid players to hurt other players? Didn't Roger Goodell suspend them because of the program? Who is he trying to kid? Just admit that there was a system in place where you paid your defense to take out the opposition. Admit your mistake and move on. What was that all about? Seems delusional or in denial to me.
Secondly - I just read on NFL.com that Sean Payton is going to be taking the year off and coaching his 12 year old son's football team. Let me say that I don't blame the guy for wanting to spend time with his son but here's how I look at it. If you're the Saints (or Saints fan) do you want Payton to be treating this like a year-long vacation? I'd think you have an amazing opportunity as a head coach to really dig deep and watch more game film. Scout more college prospects first hand. I applaud the guy for being a family man and spending time with the family but him coming out and saying "I'm looking forward to doing this fall is helping coach my son's football team and doing a few things that you normally wouldn't be able to do (while coaching in the NFL)" and "I look forward to cutting the oranges, hauling the Gatorade and watching my son play every game -- and being a part of calling plays for his offense and doing some things like that that really get me excited and I know get him excited." I should mention too that this interview was after Payton just finished a round of golf. Calling plays for a pee-wee team is not going to help the Saints in 2013. Maybe I'm being too critical but for me it speaks to a guy who isn't focused on doing everything he possibly can to come back better than ever and helping his team win a Superbowl in 2013. How do Saints fans feel?
Lastly - How does Roger Goodell feel about this? I think if you're Goodell, you don't want Payton to take this suspension lightly. Remember - he has to apply for reinstatement after the year, it's not automatic. |
How exactly is he taking his suspension lightly? The man was suspended from anything remotely related to the NFL. I also believe it has been stated that he cannot attend college games during the suspension. Kind of a bold statement considering we're in April. For all we know Payton has every college game mapped out and Sunday ticket going on 10 tvs come season time. I have faith Sean P. is plotting and planning.
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| SwiftTexan wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | 1. He may have been talking about breaking rules to injure people. Hard to say without seeing the quote in its proper context. But trying to injure a guy while tackling him, in and of itself, isnt against any rule I am aware of.
2. As far as I know (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) Payton isnt allowed anywhere on team property while serving his suspension. I am not sure what he can do to help the team if this is the case. And I am not sure why Goodell would care. The guy is coaching his sons football team. Not making it rain at the local strip club. |
1. Here's the full transcript of the quote.
http://www.fox8live.com/story/17707620/transcript-joe-vitt-news-conference
2. He doesn't need to be on team property. Why isn't he scouting college prospects? Why isn't he trying to get his hands on as much game tape as possible? I just see a guy who is going to sit back and wait for 2013. He better be evaluating his team all year because he's going to be responsible for that team going forward. For some reason it just bugs me that the first thing I hear out of Sean Payton post-suspension is he's golfing and taking the year off to coach pee-wee football. I want a fiery leader who is fighting to take this unfortunate event as an advantage over the other coaches in the league. Instead of looking at it like "Hey - I've got a year off - I think I'll go coach pee-wee and cut up oranges" - I want a guy who is immediately thinking "What can I do this year to be better next year?"
I know it's a bit early and there probably isn't much he can realistically do right now - it just bothered me and wondered if anybody else felt the same.
As for why should Roger Goodell care? Because at the end of the year, he'll want to hear from a remorseful Sean Payton who will assure him that this will never happen again. When reinstatement time comes, I doubt Goodell will want to see Sean Payton rolling in from a vacation in Maui sipping on pina coladas and learning to play the steel drums. Almost inconceivably, Gregg Williams is looking the best so far in this situation. He's upfront, honest and apologetic. He's also already working on reinstatement.
Here's how I look at it. If you're a parent and you put your kid in a time-out, do you want the kid to spend the entire time out playing video games and eating candy? No - of course not. You want them to sit there and think about what they've done. You want them to take that time to consider the impact of their actions so that they can learn from what they've done. Roger Goodell put Payton in a time-out, not in recess. I'm sure part of Goodell wants to see Payton taking this a little more seriously. |
Uh, who exactly would you like him to get game film from? The man is BANNED from any and all contact with the NFL and/or anyone associated with the NFL. This isn't a timeout, it's a freakin restraining order. What happens when someone breaks a restraining order?
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| SwiftTexan wrote: | I just had two thoughts that maybe the FFNation could shine some light on.
First of all - What was with Joe Vitt at the press conference the other day? He was saying "at no time did any of our players ever cross the white line with the intention of hurting another player". Didn't we already settle this? Hasn't Gregg Williams already admitted there was a program that paid players to hurt other players? Didn't Roger Goodell suspend them because of the program? Who is he trying to kid? Just admit that there was a system in place where you paid your defense to take out the opposition. Admit your mistake and move on. What was that all about? Seems delusional or in denial to me.
Secondly - I just read on NFL.com that Sean Payton is going to be taking the year off and coaching his 12 year old son's football team. Let me say that I don't blame the guy for wanting to spend time with his son but here's how I look at it. If you're the Saints (or Saints fan) do you want Payton to be treating this like a year-long vacation? I'd think you have an amazing opportunity as a head coach to really dig deep and watch more game film. Scout more college prospects first hand. I applaud the guy for being a family man and spending time with the family but him coming out and saying "I'm looking forward to doing this fall is helping coach my son's football team and doing a few things that you normally wouldn't be able to do (while coaching in the NFL)" and "I look forward to cutting the oranges, hauling the Gatorade and watching my son play every game -- and being a part of calling plays for his offense and doing some things like that that really get me excited and I know get him excited." I should mention too that this interview was after Payton just finished a round of golf. Calling plays for a pee-wee team is not going to help the Saints in 2013. Maybe I'm being too critical but for me it speaks to a guy who isn't focused on doing everything he possibly can to come back better than ever and helping his team win a Superbowl in 2013. How do Saints fans feel?
Lastly - How does Roger Goodell feel about this? I think if you're Goodell, you don't want Payton to take this suspension lightly. Remember - he has to apply for reinstatement after the year, it's not automatic. |
1) Joe Vitt is an idiot. The Saints still he a top team in the NFL because they are THAT talented and have excellent coaches around Vitt. I still think that the Saints have a good chance at making the playoffs, but I have a hard time seeing them win it all with Vitt at the helm making decisions in the playoffs.
2) Maybe Payton needs a vacation after all of this. I wouldn't blame him at all. He could try to coach in college...but that is unlikely this late in the college offseason. He could work as an NFL analyst, but then he risks saying something that Goodell will pin on him to try to lengthen his suspension. This is very personal to Goodell...so lying low is actually in Paytons and the Saints best interests. |
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| SWATcha wrote: | | SwiftTexan wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | 1. He may have been talking about breaking rules to injure people. Hard to say without seeing the quote in its proper context. But trying to injure a guy while tackling him, in and of itself, isnt against any rule I am aware of.
2. As far as I know (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) Payton isnt allowed anywhere on team property while serving his suspension. I am not sure what he can do to help the team if this is the case. And I am not sure why Goodell would care. The guy is coaching his sons football team. Not making it rain at the local strip club. |
1. Here's the full transcript of the quote.
http://www.fox8live.com/story/17707620/transcript-joe-vitt-news-conference
2. He doesn't need to be on team property. Why isn't he scouting college prospects? Why isn't he trying to get his hands on as much game tape as possible? I just see a guy who is going to sit back and wait for 2013. He better be evaluating his team all year because he's going to be responsible for that team going forward. For some reason it just bugs me that the first thing I hear out of Sean Payton post-suspension is he's golfing and taking the year off to coach pee-wee football. I want a fiery leader who is fighting to take this unfortunate event as an advantage over the other coaches in the league. Instead of looking at it like "Hey - I've got a year off - I think I'll go coach pee-wee and cut up oranges" - I want a guy who is immediately thinking "What can I do this year to be better next year?"
I know it's a bit early and there probably isn't much he can realistically do right now - it just bothered me and wondered if anybody else felt the same.
As for why should Roger Goodell care? Because at the end of the year, he'll want to hear from a remorseful Sean Payton who will assure him that this will never happen again. When reinstatement time comes, I doubt Goodell will want to see Sean Payton rolling in from a vacation in Maui sipping on pina coladas and learning to play the steel drums. Almost inconceivably, Gregg Williams is looking the best so far in this situation. He's upfront, honest and apologetic. He's also already working on reinstatement.
Here's how I look at it. If you're a parent and you put your kid in a time-out, do you want the kid to spend the entire time out playing video games and eating candy? No - of course not. You want them to sit there and think about what they've done. You want them to take that time to consider the impact of their actions so that they can learn from what they've done. Roger Goodell put Payton in a time-out, not in recess. I'm sure part of Goodell wants to see Payton taking this a little more seriously. |
Uh, who exactly would you like him to get game film from? The man is BANNED from any and all contact with the NFL and/or anyone associated with the NFL. This isn't a timeout, it's a freakin restraining order. What happens when someone breaks a restraining order? |
That was my first thought. Sure he could sit home record every game on television and watch it three times but he watches even a second of game film then he is in deep [inappropriate/removed] and so is whoever gave the film to him. |
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