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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject:

malibuspeedrace wrote:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Rumor has it that a certain 5* QB from Washington is announcing his commitment sometime this week

Commitment will be up and down until NSD. Especially considering he has a good relationship with Doug Nussmeir (sp?) at Alabama.

?

Max Browne is an EE. And I've read on multiple sites that once he chooses a school, if other schools want to talk to him, they're going to have to go through Max's dad.

The top QB isn't just going to not listen,

Shane Morris is all Michigan, he isn't listening to anybody.

Wink

Seriously, your "kids who commit early aren't solid" theory is massively flawed.

Lets not overhype this kid too much 1KING.

those aren't really 5* stats. He sure does good against the catholic schools. (I honestly have no clue about the talent of his team or teams he plays..But the stats are pedestrian looking at them through this)

I imagine he will be a decent QB. But those stats are not of the best QB prospect in the country.
He needs to show up like he did for camps for sure. otherwise he may drop some in the ratings.

@ using HS stats to judge someone's potential in college, especially with no context. His OL and WR suck and he plays in one of the toughest, if not the toughest conferences in the state. The Catholic league is usually loaded and has very good/great coaching.

Every time he has competed with the top talent (at combines, etc.) he has done great, not to mention doing good in actual games as well.
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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject:

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Rumor has it that a certain 5* QB from Washington is announcing his commitment sometime this week

Commitment will be up and down until NSD. Especially considering he has a good relationship with Doug Nussmeir (sp?) at Alabama.

?

Max Browne is an EE. And I've read on multiple sites that once he chooses a school, if other schools want to talk to him, they're going to have to go through Max's dad.

The top QB isn't just going to not listen,

Shane Morris is all Michigan, he isn't listening to anybody.

Wink

Seriously, your "kids who commit early aren't solid" theory is massively flawed.

Not really. In 9 months a lot can happen, coaching changes, players breaking out guaranteeing a starting role next year (where the prospect would have a great shot to win the job before), horrible season, which falls directly into coaching changes.

Not saying all of them aren't solid, but more often than not, they won't end up signing for said program in early February.

You are wrong.
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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject:

Blaze King wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Blaze King wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Yeah, it really depends on the kid. If he's a diva and he commits early, then yeah he might flip throughout the process. But Max doesn't seem like that kind of kid.

Once we get Max, I think SC recruiting is going to be rolling. It's been a while since I've seen all the top Cali kids band together this soon, and it seems like USC is leading for most, if not all of them. We could potentially have half a dozen five stars this cycle in Bigelow, Browne, Su'a, Hutch, Redfield and Ty Isaac/Justin Davis. Hell, we could have a top 15 class just from the B2G kids.

How heavy of a lean is Cravens?

I would be surprised if he didn't end up a Trojan. Rumor is he and Hutch are already doing some recruiting for us, along with Hawkins. I think Hutch will commit before the season but Su'a will take his time and take some visits, but with the hometown school eventually winning out.

That's what everyone seems to say, and usually when your a prospect that has an offer from everyone in the country and has a powerhouse in his backyard, more likely than not they end up selecting the home town school.

I know he is visiting Michigan on an Official and his cousin 4* DE Joe Mathis is coming to Ann Arbor this weekend, which can only help.

I'd put Cravens 3rd overall in the class right now. Behind Foster and Robert N. He is going to be a truly great player in my opinion.

Mathis can't make it this weekend, he (and Cravens) still plan on taking an OV to Michigan though.
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malibuspeedrace

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

malibuspeedrace wrote:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Rumor has it that a certain 5* QB from Washington is announcing his commitment sometime this week

Commitment will be up and down until NSD. Especially considering he has a good relationship with Doug Nussmeir (sp?) at Alabama.

?

Max Browne is an EE. And I've read on multiple sites that once he chooses a school, if other schools want to talk to him, they're going to have to go through Max's dad.

The top QB isn't just going to not listen,

Shane Morris is all Michigan, he isn't listening to anybody.

Wink

Seriously, your "kids who commit early aren't solid" theory is massively flawed.

Lets not overhype this kid too much 1KING.

To be fair I did say this

Quote:

I honestly have no clue about the talent of his team or teams he plays..But the stats are pedestrian looking at them through this

I just know that looking at the stats for others he is far behind. IE not the top QB..

1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject:

malibuspeedrace wrote:

1King wrote:

malibuspeedrace wrote:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

Shaq wrote:

Rumor has it that a certain 5* QB from Washington is announcing his commitment sometime this week

Commitment will be up and down until NSD. Especially considering he has a good relationship with Doug Nussmeir (sp?) at Alabama.

?

Max Browne is an EE. And I've read on multiple sites that once he chooses a school, if other schools want to talk to him, they're going to have to go through Max's dad.

The top QB isn't just going to not listen,

Shane Morris is all Michigan, he isn't listening to anybody.

Wink

Seriously, your "kids who commit early aren't solid" theory is massively flawed.

Lets not overhype this kid too much 1KING.

To be fair I did say this

Quote:

I honestly have no clue about the talent of his team or teams he plays..But the stats are pedestrian looking at them through this

I just know that looking at the stats for others he is far behind. IE not the top QB..

I just know that looking at stats alone is a stupid way to assess prospects and who is best overall.

For example, the game vs. Detroit Catholic Central. That game was arguably his worst game stats wise, what those stats don't show is that DCC is a perennial power with great coaching. It also doesn't show that Shane Morris is the only D-1 guy on his team (I believe) and I know he doesn't have any D-1 WR or OL. It also doesn't show that DCC has 3 D-1 defensive lineman alone. (2012 Michigan commit Matt Godin, 2013 Michigan commit Wyatt Shallman, 2014 Dylan Roney). Of course he is going to struggle when his OL is going against three (major) D-1 prospects.

I count a number (3-5) blow outs where his team was winning, thus he didn't need to do much. The other games he was facing other D-1 prospects (usually on defense) that were on much better teams.

Another example: the last game, loss vs. Harrison. Another power that routinely makes deep runs in the playoffs and wins state championships and has great coaching. Also the team that has a number of D-1 prospects (2012 Michigan commits Devin Funchess and Mario O., 2012 MSU commit Aaron Burbridge, 2014 LB Gary Hosey, and I am forgetting a couple others. That doesn't even include the MAC or D-2 caliber guys on that roster either).

So there you have it, Examples #1 and #2 of why looking only at stats to judge a prospect is dumb.
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Texasmade

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject:

Garrett Gilbert is exhibit A, B, C, D...........Z why judging kids based solely on stats is pointless.
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hawkman98272

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject:

[quote="1King"]

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

Not saying all of them aren't solid, but more often than not, they won't end up signing for said program in early February.

You are wrong.

Clearly. Because some stat that's severely flawed because local kids will be factored in, and the kids that don't have any other options, but highly touted guys are never 100% solid.
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IrishGreen

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject:

a couple things still strike me weird about those stats.

why did he have so many games with so few throws? like wtf? i mean i know high school football is usually run-oriented (my high school ran a lot of QB read type plays), but holy cow. we ran all the time and our QB still got about 15 attempts per game.

and that completion percentage is not too good. that would worry me a tad. i mean this is supposed to be the 16th best football player in the nation.

but yea stats don't really mean too much, i wouldn't say they're completely useless though.
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Cheesehead430

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject:

Texasmade wrote:

Garrett Gilbert is exhibit A, B, C, D...........Z why judging kids based solely on stats is pointless.

& John Brantley.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject:

Met Dabo Swinney today. I was hyping my friend up so much (http://247sports.com/Player/Matt-Rolin-17131) Laughing

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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject:

[quote="hawkman98272"]

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

Not saying all of them aren't solid, but more often than not, they won't end up signing for said program in early February.

You are wrong.

Clearly. Because some stat that's severely flawed because local kids will be factored in, and the kids that don't have any other options, but highly touted guys are never 100% solid.

Wrong again.
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CWood21 wrote:
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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject:

IrishGreen wrote:

I thought the same thing with # of attempts. I can only guess in the blow out wins that they tried to run the clock out and/or had a running clock. The non-blow out, not sure, maybe bad weather, but that's just a guess.

Completion % is valid, because his main weakness is consistency in terms of accuracy and changing ball speeds. At the same time, his WR are really bad. Watch Browne's and Morris highlights, it is clear who has talent at WR and who doesn't. It will be interesting to see who ends up at #1 at the end of the process, Browne, Morris, or some other guy (doubtful) (talking about Pro-style QB only). I'm taking Morris 100 times out of 10 though. Wink

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hawkman98272

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

Not saying all of them aren't solid, but more often than not, they won't end up signing for said program in early February.

You are wrong.

Clearly. Because some stat that's severely flawed because local kids will be factored in, and the kids that don't have any other options, but highly touted guys are never 100% solid.

Wrong again.

Sure because they don't commit until signing day, but as I said early coaching changes play a huge role. See Thompson, Armstead and Payton just off the top of my head.
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1King

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject:

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

hawkman98272 wrote:

1King wrote:

Not saying all of them aren't solid, but more often than not, they won't end up signing for said program in early February.

You are wrong.

Clearly. Because some stat that's severely flawed because local kids will be factored in, and the kids that don't have any other options, but highly touted guys are never 100% solid.

Wrong again.

Sure because they don't commit until signing day, but as I said early coaching changes play a huge role. See Thompson, Armstead and Payton just off the top of my head.

Nope.

Shane Morris is a unanimous top 20-25 prospect and he has been committed to Michigan for almost a year already.

Armstead didn't decommit from USC because of a coaching change.

Payton is just a head case.

Texas had a bunch of high rated commits in February that didn't decommit and they do every year, as do other schools.

The # of early verbals that decommit is no different than the # of mid/late verbals that decommit.
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IrishGreen

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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

IrishGreen wrote:

that's kind of what i figured as far as completion % goes. obviously i don't know what the talent of that roster is, but that makes sense if his WRs just aren't good, especially for that level of competition.

attempts will probably always baffle me though Laughing

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