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| howie102 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | I remember seeing they really like B J Coleman but IDK if they had him for a visit |
Judging by the guys they're showing interest in, it looks like they want a big guy with a strong arm and a high ceiling.
Guys I can see us going after are Osweiler, Coleman, Foles, Lindley.
One thing I will say is I don't want us spending more than a 4th on a QB.
Luck - 1
RG3 - 2
Tannehill - Somewhere in the top 10
Weeden - Probably either Cleveland or Miami in the second. Whoever doesn't get Tannehill.
After that, who is going to spend a day one or two pick on a QB?
I can see guys like Cousins and Osweiler taking a surprising fall. |
I agree. Denver is doing the right thing in being proactive. They know that Manning is only a 2-3 year fix. Therefore, they are finding a guy now to develop. I think Coleman or even a guy like Aaron Corp, from RIchmond are some small school guys they could look at |
"Develop"? I still don't get this. At all.
An honest question here; why would we "waste" a 4th round pick on a player who will see nigh-on nothing in the way of snaps. Peyton will be having his fill, leaving few crumbs for anyone else. Such is life.
Why can't we simply build a solid team around Peyton, have the pieces in place, allowing us to draft a 1st/2nd round QB the year that Peyton rides off into the sunset? Why do we always need to be groomnig an understudy? Didn't work out too well like that over in Indy, did it? |
Thank You! Howie102 is the guy who got it right. So, what are we going to do? Throw another Draft choice at an"Osweiller", or a "Lindley" when the next 2 years are 100% about going to the Superbowl with Manning? We take a 2nd, or a 3rd or a 4th Round Draft choice and Draft another QB who will be sitting on the bench without contributing one second on the field? Really? Then, next year, are we going to Draft another QB because even though Osweiller or Lindley hasn't played, there might be somebody better? Who do we have on our roster now? We have Caleb Hanie who I assume is going to play if Manning can't play. We have the young, up and coming Adam Weber who we picked up last year as the guy we were going to groom for the future. But now we've decided that even though Weber hasn't seen any time on the field that we have to spend our last valuable assets (Draft choice) for this Off-season on a guy who will be on the roster taking up space (any other team could take a Drafted QB if he's on the Practice Squad), never to see the field? Has anyone seen enough of Adam Weber to be able to conclusively say that he's a "bum" who doesn't deserve to be on our team? EXF picked him up last year as the guy to "groom" for the future, so they must have seen something about the guy they liked. How about spending that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on a guy who is actually going to help us get to the Superbowl? Or is that no longer our goal in some peoples mind? Howie102 is right. Spending an early or mid-round Draft Choice on a QB is a waste of time. You want somebody to compete with Adam Weber, then pick him up as a FA, after the Draft. I want my picks to be competing for starting positions, or at the very least be available to be worked into the lineup. Osweiller, Lindley, and Noles aren't those guys. |
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| Army wrote: | | howie102 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | I remember seeing they really like B J Coleman but IDK if they had him for a visit |
Judging by the guys they're showing interest in, it looks like they want a big guy with a strong arm and a high ceiling.
Guys I can see us going after are Osweiler, Coleman, Foles, Lindley.
One thing I will say is I don't want us spending more than a 4th on a QB.
Luck - 1
RG3 - 2
Tannehill - Somewhere in the top 10
Weeden - Probably either Cleveland or Miami in the second. Whoever doesn't get Tannehill.
After that, who is going to spend a day one or two pick on a QB?
I can see guys like Cousins and Osweiler taking a surprising fall. |
I agree. Denver is doing the right thing in being proactive. They know that Manning is only a 2-3 year fix. Therefore, they are finding a guy now to develop. I think Coleman or even a guy like Aaron Corp, from RIchmond are some small school guys they could look at |
"Develop"? I still don't get this. At all.
An honest question here; why would we "waste" a 4th round pick on a player who will see nigh-on nothing in the way of snaps. Peyton will be having his fill, leaving few crumbs for anyone else. Such is life.
Why can't we simply build a solid team around Peyton, have the pieces in place, allowing us to draft a 1st/2nd round QB the year that Peyton rides off into the sunset? Why do we always need to be groomnig an understudy? Didn't work out too well like that over in Indy, did it? |
Thank You! Howie102 is the guy who got it right. So, what are we going to do? Throw another Draft choice at an"Osweiller", or a "Lindley" when the next 2 years are 100% about going to the Superbowl with Manning? We take a 2nd, or a 3rd or a 4th Round Draft choice and Draft another QB who will be sitting on the bench without contributing one second on the field? Really? Then, next year, are we going to Draft another QB because even though Osweiller or Lindley hasn't played, there might be somebody better? Who do we have on our roster now? We have Caleb Hanie who I assume is going to play if Manning can't play. We have the young, up and coming Adam Weber who we picked up last year as the guy we were going to groom for the future. But now we've decided that even though Weber hasn't seen any time on the field that we have to spend our last valuable assets (Draft choice) for this Off-season on a guy who will be on the roster taking up space (any other team could take a Drafted QB if he's on the Practice Squad), never to see the field? Has anyone seen enough of Adam Weber to be able to conclusively say that he's a "bum" who doesn't deserve to be on our team? EXF picked him up last year as the guy to "groom" for the future, so they must have seen something about the guy they liked. How about spending that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on a guy who is actually going to help us get to the Superbowl? Or is that no longer our goal in some peoples mind? Howie102 is right. Spending an early or mid-round Draft Choice on a QB is a waste of time. You want somebody to compete with Adam Weber, then pick him up as a FA, after the Draft. I want my picks to be competing for starting positions, or at the very least be available to be worked into the lineup. Osweiller, Lindley, and Noles aren't those guys. |
hey Army, love readin' your posts, but you need to help me out here. I can't read a block of text like you just posted. Call it "old eyes".
I posted a request something like this a few years ago. Anyway, just separate lines a bit and I'd be quite appreciative.
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| AKRNA wrote: | | Army wrote: | | howie102 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | I remember seeing they really like B J Coleman but IDK if they had him for a visit |
Judging by the guys they're showing interest in, it looks like they want a big guy with a strong arm and a high ceiling.
Guys I can see us going after are Osweiler, Coleman, Foles, Lindley.
One thing I will say is I don't want us spending more than a 4th on a QB.
Luck - 1
RG3 - 2
Tannehill - Somewhere in the top 10
Weeden - Probably either Cleveland or Miami in the second. Whoever doesn't get Tannehill.
After that, who is going to spend a day one or two pick on a QB?
I can see guys like Cousins and Osweiler taking a surprising fall. |
I agree. Denver is doing the right thing in being proactive. They know that Manning is only a 2-3 year fix. Therefore, they are finding a guy now to develop. I think Coleman or even a guy like Aaron Corp, from RIchmond are some small school guys they could look at |
"Develop"? I still don't get this. At all.
An honest question here; why would we "waste" a 4th round pick on a player who will see nigh-on nothing in the way of snaps. Peyton will be having his fill, leaving few crumbs for anyone else. Such is life.
Why can't we simply build a solid team around Peyton, have the pieces in place, allowing us to draft a 1st/2nd round QB the year that Peyton rides off into the sunset? Why do we always need to be groomnig an understudy? Didn't work out too well like that over in Indy, did it? |
Thank You! Howie102 is the guy who got it right.
So, what are we going to do? Throw another Draft choice at an"Osweiller", or a "Lindley" when the next 2 years are 100% about going to the Superbowl with Manning?
We take a 2nd, or a 3rd or a 4th Round Draft choice and Draft another QB who will be sitting on the bench without contributing one second on the field? Really? Then, next year, are we going to Draft another QB because even though Osweiller or Lindley hasn't played, there might be somebody better?
Who do we have on our roster now? We have Caleb Hanie who I assume is going to play if Manning can't play. We have the young, up and coming Adam Weber who we picked up last year as the guy we were going to groom for the future.
But now we've decided that even though Weber hasn't seen any time on the field that we have to spend our last valuable assets (Draft choice) for this Off-season on a guy who will be on the roster taking up space (any other team could take a Drafted QB if he's on the Practice Squad), never to see the field?
Has anyone seen enough of Adam Weber to be able to conclusively say that he's a "bum" who doesn't deserve to be on our team? EXF picked him up last year as the guy to "groom" for the future, so they must have seen something about the guy they liked.
How about spending that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on a guy who is actually going to help us get to the Superbowl? Or is that no longer our goal in some peoples mind? Howie102 is right. Spending an early or mid-round Draft Choice on a QB is a waste of time.
You want somebody to compete with Adam Weber, then pick him up as a FA, after the Draft. I want my picks to be competing for starting positions, or at the very least be available to be worked into the lineup. Osweiller, Lindley, and Noles aren't those guys. |
hey Army, love readin' your posts, but you need to help me out here. I can't read a block of text like you just posted. Call it "old eyes".
I posted a request something like this a few years ago. Anyway, just separate lines a bit and I'd be quite appreciative.
Thanx! |
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AKRNA
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| Army wrote: | | AKRNA wrote: | | Army wrote: | | howie102 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | I remember seeing they really like B J Coleman but IDK if they had him for a visit |
Judging by the guys they're showing interest in, it looks like they want a big guy with a strong arm and a high ceiling.
Guys I can see us going after are Osweiler, Coleman, Foles, Lindley.
One thing I will say is I don't want us spending more than a 4th on a QB.
Luck - 1
RG3 - 2
Tannehill - Somewhere in the top 10
Weeden - Probably either Cleveland or Miami in the second. Whoever doesn't get Tannehill.
After that, who is going to spend a day one or two pick on a QB?
I can see guys like Cousins and Osweiler taking a surprising fall. |
I agree. Denver is doing the right thing in being proactive. They know that Manning is only a 2-3 year fix. Therefore, they are finding a guy now to develop. I think Coleman or even a guy like Aaron Corp, from RIchmond are some small school guys they could look at |
"Develop"? I still don't get this. At all.
An honest question here; why would we "waste" a 4th round pick on a player who will see nigh-on nothing in the way of snaps. Peyton will be having his fill, leaving few crumbs for anyone else. Such is life.
Why can't we simply build a solid team around Peyton, have the pieces in place, allowing us to draft a 1st/2nd round QB the year that Peyton rides off into the sunset? Why do we always need to be groomnig an understudy? Didn't work out too well like that over in Indy, did it? |
Thank You! Howie102 is the guy who got it right.
So, what are we going to do? Throw another Draft choice at an"Osweiller", or a "Lindley" when the next 2 years are 100% about going to the Superbowl with Manning?
We take a 2nd, or a 3rd or a 4th Round Draft choice and Draft another QB who will be sitting on the bench without contributing one second on the field? Really? Then, next year, are we going to Draft another QB because even though Osweiller or Lindley hasn't played, there might be somebody better?
Who do we have on our roster now? We have Caleb Hanie who I assume is going to play if Manning can't play. We have the young, up and coming Adam Weber who we picked up last year as the guy we were going to groom for the future.
But now we've decided that even though Weber hasn't seen any time on the field that we have to spend our last valuable assets (Draft choice) for this Off-season on a guy who will be on the roster taking up space (any other team could take a Drafted QB if he's on the Practice Squad), never to see the field?
Has anyone seen enough of Adam Weber to be able to conclusively say that he's a "bum" who doesn't deserve to be on our team? EXF picked him up last year as the guy to "groom" for the future, so they must have seen something about the guy they liked.
How about spending that 2nd, 3rd, or 4th on a guy who is actually going to help us get to the Superbowl? Or is that no longer our goal in some peoples mind? Howie102 is right. Spending an early or mid-round Draft Choice on a QB is a waste of time.
You want somebody to compete with Adam Weber, then pick him up as a FA, after the Draft. I want my picks to be competing for starting positions, or at the very least be available to be worked into the lineup. Osweiller, Lindley, and Noles aren't those guys. |
hey Army, love readin' your posts, but you need to help me out here. I can't read a block of text like you just posted. Call it "old eyes".
I posted a request something like this a few years ago. Anyway, just separate lines a bit and I'd be quite appreciative.
Thanx! |
Better? |
Much! thanks, and I do tend to agree. |
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howie102
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Sweet. Something I might be a little right with.
But to take it further, a 4th could get us a good backup/ST stud. Let's build a quality team then drop a 1st/2nd round successor into a fully-functioning team. Makes more sense, albeit maybe wishful thinking.
On the visits front, which wideouts are there who may be lacking top-end speed/big college background, but who are the smart, good route runner types? Seem like the types that would work well and be required to manage the Manning system. |
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| howie102 wrote: | Sweet. Something I might be a little right with.
But to take it further, a 4th could get us a good backup/ST stud. Let's build a quality team then drop a 1st/2nd round successor into a fully-functioning team. Makes more sense, albeit maybe wishful thinking.
On the visits front, which wideouts are there who may be lacking top-end speed/big college background, but who are the smart, good route runner types? Seem like the types that would work well and be required to manage the Manning system. |
I agree with the WR point here.
I'm really warming to having Mo Sanu on our team.
Back in 2010 when Manning worked out with Decker I'm sure he saw Decker as a future slot demon playing in the role Stokley played both in Indy and Denver. Because of this I want to add a possession guy to play opposite Bay-Bay and move Decker inside. I actually think WR is next to DT on our needs because we will obviously spread the field a lot more this season.
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| Keep scanning the net guys for any information. I have been doing it for the last few days with no luck. The only known workout Denver has had with a player is Osweiler. |
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Wide Receiver is in no way shape or form an early need for this team. If anything they will take a late round guy.
People let's not forget the impact Decker had with Orton and without DT. We now have Manning throwing to two of the best young WR prospects in the entire NFL.
Mark my words, Decker and Thomas will each have 80+ catches and 8+ TD's.
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I don't get why we would throw a high draft pick for a player that we prey doesn't play for three years at least.
I think it is obvious that we are in a win now mode and all of our eggs are in the Manning basket. I think it would be an epic failure to use a high draft choice on a qb for the future when we just spent close to 100 mil on the "Now." |
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| Winder23 wrote: | Wide Receiver is in no way shape or form an early need for this team. If anything they will take a late round guy.
People let's not forget the impact Decker had with Orton and without DT. We now have Manning throwing to two of the best young WR prospects in the entire NFL.
Mark my words, Decker and Thomas will each have 80+ catches and 8+ TD's. |
Agreed. Also, WR is one spot where rookies have a notoriously tough time making the transition. |
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| Winder23 wrote: | Wide Receiver is in no way shape or form an early need for this team. If anything they will take a late round guy.
People let's not forget the impact Decker had with Orton and without DT. We now have Manning throwing to two of the best young WR prospects in the entire NFL.
Mark my words, Decker and Thomas will each have 80+ catches and 8+ TD's. |
You need more than 2 starting calibre WRs though.
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| paul-mac wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | Wide Receiver is in no way shape or form an early need for this team. If anything they will take a late round guy.
People let's not forget the impact Decker had with Orton and without DT. We now have Manning throwing to two of the best young WR prospects in the entire NFL.
Mark my words, Decker and Thomas will each have 80+ catches and 8+ TD's. |
You need more than 2 starting calibre WRs though. |
I guess it depends on what you consider "starting caliber," but Thomas, Decker, Caldwell, Hill, and Willis/someone else the team adds isn't a bad group at all. Denver goes 4 deep at the position and i am perfectly fine with that group....it is much better than what the team had in 2011. |
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| germ-x wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | Winder23 wrote: | Wide Receiver is in no way shape or form an early need for this team. If anything they will take a late round guy.
People let's not forget the impact Decker had with Orton and without DT. We now have Manning throwing to two of the best young WR prospects in the entire NFL.
Mark my words, Decker and Thomas will each have 80+ catches and 8+ TD's. |
You need more than 2 starting calibre WRs though. |
I guess it depends on what you consider "starting caliber," but Thomas, Decker, Caldwell, Hill, and Willis/someone else the team adds isn't a bad group at all. Denver goes 4 deep at the position and i am perfectly fine with that group....it is much better than what the team had in 2011 |
Well, I suppose we have 2 Eddie Royal's as opposed to one now, and Willis is a good player, but remember that:
a) Demaryius has a terrible injury problem. He's had 2 foot injuries, a torn Achilles and and a broken finger in 2 years.
b) They MUST be a lot better than in 2011 because we are going to pass a lot more.
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| germ-x wrote: | | Keep scanning the net guys for any information. I have been doing it for the last few days with no luck. The only known workout Denver has had with a player is Osweiler. |
And you all are telling me the Broncos won't draft him with the first pick?????????????????????
They are obsessed with that guy.
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