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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream |
I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though.
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beardorama
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Edgerrin James
Dwight Freeney
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Dallas Clark
Bob Sanders
Seems like he hit on more than just Manning. |
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| beardorama wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Edgerrin James
Dwight Freeney
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Dallas Clark
Bob Sanders
Seems like he hit on more than just Manning. |
The article was talking about the offense so you can go ahead and cross Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders off of your list.
That leaves James, Wayne, and Clark, who I'm betting you will notice had a drop off in their performance after not playing with Manning.
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Lionsfanforever
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | beardorama wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Edgerrin James
Dwight Freeney
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Dallas Clark
Bob Sanders
Seems like he hit on more than just Manning. |
The article was talking about the offense so you can go ahead and cross Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders off of your list.
That leaves James, Wayne, and Clark, who I'm betting you will notice had a drop off in their performance after not playing with Manning. |
Or that they are all old. Edgerin James was pretty much done while he was on the way out. Wayne and Clark as young as they once were, and of course they are going to look worse when you from Manning to Painter.
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream |
I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
If Stafford becomes elite, will Titus, Broyles, Best, Leshoure and Pettigrew receive the same criticism? More importantly, will that criticism be accurate?
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| TL-TwoWinsAway wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream |
I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
If Stafford becomes elite, will Titus, Broyles, Best, Leshoure and Pettigrew receive the same criticism? More importantly, will that criticism be accurate? |
If Titus, Broyles, Best, Leshoure, and Pettigrew get the same kind of recognition James, Wayne, and Clark all got (many if not most people around the NFL would have called them top 10 if not top 5 at their position at one time or another) and then nearly disappeared without Stafford then yes, I believe it would be a fair and accurate criticism. Megatron proved to be elite before Stafford though, so the same can't be said for him.
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Lionsfanforever wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | beardorama wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Edgerrin James
Dwight Freeney
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Dallas Clark
Bob Sanders
Seems like he hit on more than just Manning. |
The article was talking about the offense so you can go ahead and cross Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders off of your list.
That leaves James, Wayne, and Clark, who I'm betting you will notice had a drop off in their performance after not playing with Manning. |
Or that they are all old. Edgerin James was pretty much done while he was on the way out. Wayne and Clark as young as they once were, and of course they are going to look worse when you from Manning to Painter. |
James had only been in the NFL for seven years when he left the Colts and his last year with that team he accumulated over 1500 rushing yards. How many did he get the next year with the Cards? 1159.
Dur Wayne and Clark are gonna look better with Manning, that was my point. (Pretty sure Polian was the one who got Painter to be the backup by the way.)
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LION KING
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I don't have any problem with them selecting OFFENSIVE TACKLE 1st pick the 2nd pick hurt us more did we really need another wide out maybe maybe not but hell perhaps he was the steal of the draft.
I love the fact they selected 3 Corners and 3 OLB trying to fix there needs heading into the draft it was wise to draft many to find one gem perhaps!
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Ill take a comparison to the Colts any day of the week. Add in the O line that were drafted while he was there like Saturday and Lilja. I get that Manning helped them look better, but Wayne, Marvin harrison, Dallas Clark, and Edge were all drafted pretty early because they had talent. Manning made guys like Garcon, Collie, and Blair White look like NFL players but they werent elite. Marvin was likely the best route runner in NFL history, maybe 2nd to Rice, Wayne had burner speed and great hands, and Dallas Clark started the evolution of TE's to being elite pass catchers. Not to mention the later picks were solid picks and guys that helped out on D enough to win a championship.
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All great QB's make their WR's look better, regardless of how good the WR is. Look at Moss pre/post Brady, and CJ pre Stafford. I don't think it's fair to use the "Peyton Manning" argument, although I do believe the Colts have been a below average drafting team recently. We may have a similar philosophy to the Colts, but I believe we are much better at evaluating talent. Still, they hit on quite a few picks in the earlier Peyton days and put a very good team around Peyton, almost exclusively through the draft.
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| SuhPLEX wrote: | | All great QB's make their WR's look better, regardless of how good the WR is. Look at Moss pre/post Brady, and CJ pre Stafford. I don't think it's fair to use the "Peyton Manning" argument, although I do believe the Colts have been a below average drafting team recently. We may have a similar philosophy to the Colts, but I believe we are much better at evaluating talent. Still, they hit on quite a few picks in the earlier Peyton days and put a very good team around Peyton, almost exclusively through the draft. |
Its hard to find elite talent when you have been drafting in the late 20's or 30's for 10 years in a row. The Colts definitely missed on a few recently (Hughes and Donald Brown) but they also found some decent players in the mid rounds. I think the years of being good caught up with them in that they didnt have elite talent waiting in the wings. Same thing is happening to th Patriots other than Gronk and Hernandez. They have some depth guys but they are missing the top end talent on defense which is likely why they traded up this year for it.
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream |
I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Dude! Do you know how good of a GM Polian is?
The Bills of the early 90s... all him.
He took the Jags? To an AFC championship game with his draft picks.
He built the colts into a consistent winner. Manning or Leaf was a big decision... It was literally a coin flip... people tend to forget that.
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Nnivolcm
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Cosell: Lions drafting right |
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| qball8001 wrote: | | Nnivolcm wrote: | | skatebeanz wrote: | | Quote: | | It’s a very similar philosophy to what Bill Polian employed with the Colts once he drafted Peyton Manning. You always make sure the offense has high-level players, especially at the receiver position. You take Broyles in the second round not only because is he a very good player, but also because he becomes another complementary piece that helps Stafford — and by extension the entire team — remain a playoff and Super Bowl contender. It’s the longer view, and the correct one. |
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/05/01/cosell-talks-teams-reveal-their-beliefs-in-the-draft/?module=HP11_content_stream |
I don't like being compared to Polian and the Colts to be honest. I think he was WAY overrated as a drafting GM. The only pick he got right was Manning, and Manning was able to carry his other picks to make the Colts a pretty darn good team.
I do like the long term approach we're taking to the draft though. |
Dude! Do you know how good of a GM Polian is?
The Bills of the early 90s... all him.
He took the Jags? To an AFC championship game with his draft picks.
He built the colts into a consistent winner. Manning or Leaf was a big decision... It was literally a coin flip... people tend to forget that. |
I think most of us would say that a team's core should be built in the first three rounds of the draft. Let's look back at the Colts first three rounds of the last couple drafts and see how awesome Polian has been lately.
2005
1st - CB Marlin Jackson
2nd - CB Kelvin Hayden
3rd - DE Vincent Burns
2006
1st - RB Joseph Addai
2nd - CB Tim Jennings
3rd - LB Freddy Keiaho
2007
1st - WR Anthony Gonzalez
2nd - OL Tony Ugoh
3rd - CB Dante Hughes
2008
No first round pick
2nd - C Mike Pollak
3rd - LB Philip Wheeler
2009
1st - RB Donald Brown
2nd - DT Fili Moala
3rd - CB Jerraud Powers
2010
1st - DE Jerry Hughes
2nd - LB Pat Angerer
3rd - CB Kevin Thomas
2011
1st - OT Anthony Castonzo
2nd - OT Ben Ijalana
3rd - DT Drake Nevis
I dare to say that list looks almost Millen-esque.
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