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ceejay 
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: CJ's Mock Draft |
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I have done pretty well in getting to know a lot of the prospects this year. Just want to give a shout out to Mike Mayock and the NFL Network crew! Just kidding. I have done a lot of research and I will probably still mess up. Here is my Raven's Mock.
Ravens Trade 1st and 5th to move up to 26. (I have the draft value opened but it doesn't show value's after comp picks. We could owe more I'm not 100% positive.
Round 1 (26) - Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
A lot of analysts have him falling. He could make it passed a few teams based on their team needs. If he makes it within a few picks of us, I have no doubt that Ozzie would be aggressive in attempting to trade up and get him. He is physical at the point of attack and is just a violent player. Has that Ravens swagger you look for. He has said he would like to be a 4-3 end. He has the ability to be a 3-4 LB or put his hand in the dirt. It makes him a versatile guy and a match made in heaven for our defence
Round 2 (60) - Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
He is almost 6'2. He can separate from defenders. Mayock thinks a lot of his balls with be contested in the air, and I believe he can win a lot of the battles. He had a great vertical and can cause match up problems in the end zone. He is an Anquan Boldin type player. He isn't going to dazzle you with his speed but he can get the job done and is very physical.
Round 3 (91) - George Iloka, S, Boise State
This could be a little wishful thinking. He could be gone by this point. He is a 6'4 Safety with a 4.66 40 time. Some say he can also be used at linebacker. I like him better as a physical Safety who can learn from one of the best. I would like this pick a lot.
Round 4 (130) Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
He is a big physical runner. A great compliment to Ray Rice and could be used in goal line situations. We had a hard time punching it in this year if I remember correctly. He could bring a new dynamic to the O.
Round 5 (169) Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona St
A player who slides due to character concerns. Horrible interviews, bad combine and bad pro day. He has a lot of hype to him. He has made a lot of good plays and can be worked with. Ray could take him under his wing. If he doesn't work out. We didn't take him early so it's not as bad of a blow.
Round 6 (198) Ryan Miller, OG, Colorado
Good size, very raw. Good athlete for his body structure. A definite project and probably wouldn't start until 2-3 years if at all.
Round 7 (236) Justin Francis, DE, Rutgers
Don't know a lot about the guy. Have seen a few games with him involved. He is Raw but I see potential. Luckily that means absolutely nothing. _________________
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BrandonK
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: CJ's Mock Draft |
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dcfields
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I love Turbin! Burfict is the next Maurice Clarett. I hope the Ravens don't even have him on their board. The Ravens may have to address the o-line a little sooner than the 6th. Possibly through a trade. That said, I would sleep well if this was our draft. |
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FlaccoForever
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: CJ's Mock Draft |
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| ceejay wrote: | I have done pretty well in getting to know a lot of the prospects this year. Just want to give a shout out to Mike Mayock and the NFL Network crew! Just kidding. I have done a lot of research and I will probably still mess up. Here is my Raven's Mock.
Ravens Trade 1st and 5th to move up to 26. (I have the draft value opened but it doesn't show value's after comp picks. We could owe more I'm not 100% positive.
Round 1 (26) - Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama
A lot of analysts have him falling. He could make it passed a few teams based on their team needs. If he makes it within a few picks of us, I have no doubt that Ozzie would be aggressive in attempting to trade up and get him. He is physical at the point of attack and is just a violent player. Has that Ravens swagger you look for. He has said he would like to be a 4-3 end. He has the ability to be a 3-4 LB or put his hand in the dirt. It makes him a versatile guy and a match made in heaven for our defence
Round 2 (60) - Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
He is almost 6'2. He can separate from defenders. Mayock thinks a lot of his balls with be contested in the air, and I believe he can win a lot of the battles. He had a great vertical and can cause match up problems in the end zone. He is an Anquan Boldin type player. He isn't going to dazzle you with his speed but he can get the job done and is very physical.
Round 3 (91) - George Iloka, S, Boise State
This could be a little wishful thinking. He could be gone by this point. He is a 6'4 Safety with a 4.66 40 time. Some say he can also be used at linebacker. I like him better as a physical Safety who can learn from one of the best. I would like this pick a lot.
Round 4 (130) Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
He is a big physical runner. A great compliment to Ray Rice and could be used in goal line situations. We had a hard time punching it in this year if I remember correctly. He could bring a new dynamic to the O.
Round 5 (169) Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona St
A player who slides due to character concerns. Horrible interviews, bad combine and bad pro day. He has a lot of hype to him. He has made a lot of good plays and can be worked with. Ray could take him under his wing. If he doesn't work out. We didn't take him early so it's not as bad of a blow.
Round 6 (198) Ryan Miller, OG, Colorado
Good size, very raw. Good athlete for his body structure. A definite project and probably wouldn't start until 2-3 years if at all.
Round 7 (236) Justin Francis, DE, Rutgers
Don't know a lot about the guy. Have seen a few games with him involved. He is Raw but I see potential. Luckily that means absolutely nothing. |
Good work ceejay, not too high on drafting Burfict but I guess you never know what a guy can do in the right situation. |
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diamondbull424 
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Good effort mock to include a breakdown of the player.
That said, I'm not a fan of the mock. I like Courtney Upshaw, but I don't feel he nor any edge threat in this draft is worth trading up for. If he falls and there are no better options available and we can't trade back, then and only then would I take Upshaw. I don't agree with spending yet again another high level draft resource on the OLB spot in the last 3 years. Kindle is coming back and has a full offseason to get into football shape and get comfortable within the defense. Paul Kruger simply made plays when he was given playing time. I don't see the value in using a first round pick on our pass rush.
Mohammed Sanu is another pick that I don't like simply because he doesn't fit our scheme. We run a vertical offense that is predicated on receivers having the game-breaking speed to get behind the defense, utilizing longer distanced routes. These are long developing routes... only with more speed, they take less time to develop and less time for the line to need to block. Mohammed Sanu doesn't have that type of speed to work on the outside in our offense. He's probably a slot receiver- like Boldin anyway... and we already have Boldin who should be in the slot to be best utilized... we also have Tandon Doss, who is a slot receiver type. He's more TJ Houshmanzadeh than Anquan Boldin (like Sanu), but he has terrific hands and agility to get quick separation (but not separation on longer routes.)
George Iloka is another guy I don't think we need. We have Bernard Pollard and just added Corey Graham to be a CB/S. I think we can roll into the season with just another cheap veteran option. Or if we go safety, I'd rather address that with an undrafted free agent... because this safety class is incredibly weak from top to bottom for the most part.
I like Robert Turbin... but on tape, I've seen nothing from him that I didn't see from Anthony Allen. They're the same kind of player and I'm not even sure Turbin is the better runner.
I don't mind Burfict. He has upside. Ryan Miller seems to be falling for whatever reason, I have no idea. But that's a good value on a guard late. But I'd hope we could get some help to that position a little sooner, if possible.
Haven't followed Francis.
So again, I like the players in the mock, I just don't like that we've taken them. I think the value isn't there and/or it's the wrong fit with our team. _________________
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ceejay 
Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 3133 Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | Good effort mock to include a breakdown of the player.
That said, I'm not a fan of the mock. I like Courtney Upshaw, but I don't feel he nor any edge threat in this draft is worth trading up for. If he falls and there are no better options available and we can't trade back, then and only then would I take Upshaw. I don't agree with spending yet again another high level draft resource on the OLB spot in the last 3 years. Kindle is coming back and has a full offseason to get into football shape and get comfortable within the defense. Paul Kruger simply made plays when he was given playing time. I don't see the value in using a first round pick on our pass rush.
Mohammed Sanu is another pick that I don't like simply because he doesn't fit our scheme. We run a vertical offense that is predicated on receivers having the game-breaking speed to get behind the defense, utilizing longer distanced routes. These are long developing routes... only with more speed, they take less time to develop and less time for the line to need to block. Mohammed Sanu doesn't have that type of speed to work on the outside in our offense. He's probably a slot receiver- like Boldin anyway... and we already have Boldin who should be in the slot to be best utilized... we also have Tandon Doss, who is a slot receiver type. He's more TJ Houshmanzadeh than Anquan Boldin (like Sanu), but he has terrific hands and agility to get quick separation (but not separation on longer routes.)
George Iloka is another guy I don't think we need. We have Bernard Pollard and just added Corey Graham to be a CB/S. I think we can roll into the season with just another cheap veteran option. Or if we go safety, I'd rather address that with an undrafted free agent... because this safety class is incredibly weak from top to bottom for the most part.
I like Robert Turbin... but on tape, I've seen nothing from him that I didn't see from Anthony Allen. They're the same kind of player and I'm not even sure Turbin is the better runner.
I don't mind Burfict. He has upside. Ryan Miller seems to be falling for whatever reason, I have no idea. But that's a good value on a guard late. But I'd hope we could get some help to that position a little sooner, if possible.
Haven't followed Francis.
So again, I like the players in the mock, I just don't like that we've taken them. I think the value isn't there and/or it's the wrong fit with our team. |
I have little hope in Kindle. Anything that comes out of him is just an added plus. He made some bonehead decisions. I mean, I hope the guy is good for us. Hope is fading quick, unless he brings something to the table this year of course.
If you don't like Sani, which prospects do you like in the draft. I like Stephen Hill but he is such a risky pick to take round one. It just scares me to be honest. I believe we know what we are getting with Upshaw if we nab him in the first.
I can see a scenario where we trade back to the early second for an OT like Mike Adams. Fact is, you can never really predict a Ravens draft. It can one of a billion ways. _________________
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NJ Raven
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Two guys from RU? I'm in. _________________
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SnA ExclusiVe 
Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 10614 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I like Burfict in the 5th round. Low risk, high reward especially if he can straighten out in the NFL and commit himself to being great. _________________
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diamondbull424 
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ceejay wrote: |
I have little hope in Kindle. Anything that comes out of him is just an added plus. He made some bonehead decisions. I mean, I hope the guy is good for us. Hope is fading quick, unless he brings something to the table this year of course.
If you don't like Sani, which prospects do you like in the draft. I like Stephen Hill but he is such a risky pick to take round one. It just scares me to be honest. I believe we know what we are getting with Upshaw if we nab him in the first.
I can see a scenario where we trade back to the early second for an OT like Mike Adams. Fact is, you can never really predict a Ravens draft. It can one of a billion ways. |
In which round are we talking? I'm not incline to take a WR unless that person can be an improvement over Tandon Doss. Alshon Jeffery is obviously my top guy- but that's in the round 1. In round 2? I don't think there is a guy I like. In round 3, I have to wonder exactly what teams are thinking about Greg Childs... he'd be an awesome guy to go after in the late 3rd if we haven't already addressed the WR position. He'd be a fit in a vertical passing attack. I also like T.Y. Hilton in the 4th round as a fit in the vertical passing attack. He reminds me a lot of Steve Smith in his ability to be able to break tackles and be shifty to create havoc after the catch. He's a WR with good hands, yet escapes tackles that no normal man should be able to escape. They fit the offense and IMO upgrade Doss. In Child's case he also solves our other issues of needing a big redzone threat at WR.
I understand the thought of having little faith in Kindle, but at this point, I think Kruger has shown enough that we can roll with him for at least a year. Worse case scenario, he's a weak link on a top 5-10 defense. Best case scenario, he continues to improve and make the same kind of plays he did in 2011- only as a starter. We also have McAdoo. I'd like to see what these young guys have before we give up on the resources we've devoted to the position. Kindle aside, Upshaw isn't only "arguably" best player available. I'd have Alshon Jeffery and Kevin Zeitler amongst other BPAs. You also have us trading up for Upshaw. I don't see why we do that. He's not an elite pass rusher. He's elite at setting the edge and he's just a "good" pass rusher. He's honestly no better as a pass rusher than Kruger was last season. I'd rather bet on Kruger to improve his run playing abilities over the summer than to draft Upshaw when we could use that premium selection to go elsewhere... and I especially wouldn't want to lose a 5th round pick in taking Upshaw. That means in the past 3 years we will have lost a 2nd, 2nd, 1st, and 5th on the edge threat role... that's WAY too many in such a short time frame IMO.
If we trade back, I'd hope we look at Kevin Zeitler (assuming he falls). His value would be phenomenal in the early 2nd. But don't mind me, the draft is good- I'm just not a fan. _________________
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coordinator0
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not really in favor of trading up to get Upshaw or any LB in the 1st round unless it's Kuechly but only moving up a few spots and using one of the 5th round picks to do it isn't so bad. To me he's a very good replacement/upgrade for Johnson. If the teams goes into the season with Kruger/Kindle at OLB and McPhee/Jones at DE I think there will be a very noticeable regression in the run-defense and getting Upshaw would be a nice option to counter that. He adds more than that though and the pass-rush will be improved as well. He weighed in at 278 at his pro day though and that seems a bit strange to me.
Sanu would be a good value but a bad fit. Like db424 said he's a terrible fit in Cameron's vertical offense and one of the most criticized things about Sanu is his inability to separate. A lot of the balls thrown his way were contested because he couldn't get away from the defender and that's not going to change against NFL defenses.
I'm coming around on Iloka. That's about where his value is in my opinion and he's not as tight-hipped as I originally thought. Still might not be an ideal fit for a center-fielder type of role that the Ravens need their FS to be if Pollard is going to be the starter at SS.
Turbin would be a nice addition in the 4th. He's lower on my list than guys like Pead and Pierce but I don't think they'll last that long either.
Burfict isn't bad in the 5th round but I would still probably pass on him. Everything we've heard about his performance in the combine/post-season interviews has been negative and that was a big sticking point for me. I just read that he hasn't been scheduled for any team visits and that's not something you like to see.
Miller probably won't last that long. I think he would be a nice pick if the 4th or 5th round so getting him in the 6th would be great. I'm not getting my hopes up about that though.
No idea who Francis is.
I wouldn't be upset with this draft. It hits a lot of needs with players and values I like. |
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bmore4life815 
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I like this draft, ceejay.
Turbin is also a guy that's caught my attention recently. I expected for us to pursue a downhill runner like Jackie Battle in free agency, but Turbin's acceleration and top-end speed makes him much scarier IMO; definitely a dark horse in this class, and one I'd certainly be happy getting. _________________
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