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BroncoinGermany
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Hasn't Asante always been more suited for a Cover 2 defense? The reason he played well in New England and Philly; the reason why Nnamdi struggled last year (as a physical man-to-man corner) in the Eagles' scheme? Don't we predominatly run a man-to-man coverage?
With that said, I'd only be for a Samual signing if he took a paycut. However, since I don't think he's willing to do that and several teams surely will outbid us, I doubt we get him.
Despite the financial side of things - which, theoretically, could be revised - he's 31 years old. Above that, I want to see how Harris develops in the slot.
So no.
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| Cruzp23 wrote: | | asante can shut down number 1 recievers aswell consensus is that champ will 1 day move to safety why wait till hes not playn cb very good to change that why not take the the chance now while we have a oppurtunity to get a good cb and take it with both hands what if this year champ declines at cb and we dont take asante then come next year when champ goes to safety wea stuck without a genuine #1 cb |
If we want to trade for Samuel then it would be Porter and the CB we're all but assured of drafting who would be the odd men out, not Champ. Samuel would start opposite Champ, Champ wouldn't be moved to FS. I do not understand why everyone thinks we can just make players - Champ, Franklin, Woodyard, etc - just change positions they've been playing for years and think we're improving the team.
| BroncoBruin wrote: | | Why is age relevant here? Our window is right now and it will close before we know it. We are not rebuilding anymore. |
I don't think it's in EXF's plans to sacrifice the entire future of the team for a 2-4 season run. Yes they think we've got a much better chance at getting to and hopefully winning a Super Bowl with Peyton, but we're not going to sign/trade for the lot of the NFL's geriatrics section to do it. This team will continue to be built through the draft. Other than Stokley, all of the free agents we signed this year are younger players who are not stars but role-players and will improve as they enter/continue in the primes of their careers.
| paul-mac wrote: | | I wonder if DJ Williams is said player. I hope not although I'd probably do that deal since we have Woodyard. |
Woodyard has a role to play on this team, but the long-term starter at WLB is not it.
Woodyard is very good in his current role as nickel/coverage LB and special teamer. If you watched the first few games last year when DJ was out and WW was filling-in for him, you would have seen that DJ is a FAR superior player. Woodyard is a backup/situational player, not a full-time starter. I know a lot of lesser-informed fans think that our improved play after the bye week last year was entirely a result of the QB position, but the truth is having a healthy DJ, Dumervil and Champ was far more impactful.
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Negative Ghost Rider. If I want any Eagles player, it's Mike Patterson and or Cullen Jenkins.
I haven't heard much of Asante's ability to play DT. Another thing I find funny is how overrated Woodyard becomes. His ceiling is what we use him as. A coverage specialist LB. Even playing WLB, he's a detriment against the run. The drop off between him and DJ is much larger than anyone wants to admit.
Don't get me wrong, DJ Williams is an idiot when he's not on a football field, but he's more important to us than he would be on any other team. He's not a vocal enforcer like Ray Lewis but he and Joe Mays are our tone setters. DJ plays the run very well, and I think this was his best year by far in coverage. I think it was his best year period. Regardless of the stat sheet. If Von wasn't a great pass rusher, DJ Williams would be our best LB, no contest.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Yes.
Obviously he would have to take a pay cut. We cannot afford him right now with that salary.
I hope it gets done. Hes a very underrated player for the outward criticism he gets from the media.
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I wouldn't have a problem with it, especially if it were for a late round pick.
It would be interesting to see how Denver played all 3. My guess would be that we would see Champ as the nickel CB the majority of the time when those situations arose. Similar to what they did early in the season with Cassius Vaughn.
I like Denver's chances at being successful with 3 outside cover CBs. It failed in Philly, but Champ IMO would be willing to move inside when needed. Reportedly Nnamdi didn't want to do this in Philly and DRC and Samuel weren't very good in the role and it hurt them. Playing the nickel CB is a unique skill set, Champ can do it though and should do it well. |
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| germ-x wrote: | I wouldn't have a problem with it, especially if it were for a late round pick.
It would be interesting to see how Denver played all 3. My guess would be that we would see Champ as the nickel CB the majority of the time when those situations arose. Similar to what they did early in the season with Cassius Vaughn.
I like Denver's chances at being successful with 3 outside cover CBs. It failed in Philly, but Champ IMO would be willing to move inside when needed. Reportedly Nnamdi didn't want to do this in Philly and DRC and Samuel weren't very good in the role and it hurt them. Playing the nickel CB is a unique skill set, Champ can do it though and should do it well. |
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As you said, Champ has the skillset that no CB's in Philly have. None of them are good tacklers. We saw it last year. Harris was successful because of how good he was at tackling. The Nickel CB cant let the RB sneak outside to the sidelines. Champ would be great in that role because hes such a unique player.
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| AnAngryAmerican wrote: | | Cruzp23 wrote: | | asante can shut down number 1 recievers aswell consensus is that champ will 1 day move to safety why wait till hes not playn cb very good to change that why not take the the chance now while we have a oppurtunity to get a good cb and take it with both hands what if this year champ declines at cb and we dont take asante then come next year when champ goes to safety wea stuck without a genuine #1 cb |
If we want to trade for Samuel then it would be Porter and the CB we're all but assured of drafting who would be the odd men out, not Champ. Samuel would start opposite Champ, Champ wouldn't be moved to FS. I do not understand why everyone thinks we can just make players - Champ, Franklin, Woodyard, etc - just change positions they've been playing for years and think we're improving the team.
| BroncoBruin wrote: | | Why is age relevant here? Our window is right now and it will close before we know it. We are not rebuilding anymore. |
I don't think it's in EXF's plans to sacrifice the entire future of the team for a 2-4 season run. Yes they think we've got a much better chance at getting to and hopefully winning a Super Bowl with Peyton, but we're not going to sign/trade for the lot of the NFL's geriatrics section to do it. This team will continue to be built through the draft. Other than Stokley, all of the free agents we signed this year are younger players who are not stars but role-players and will improve as they enter/continue in the primes of their careers.
| paul-mac wrote: | | I wonder if DJ Williams is said player. I hope not although I'd probably do that deal since we have Woodyard. |
Woodyard has a role to play on this team, but the long-term starter at WLB is not it.
Woodyard is very good in his current role as nickel/coverage LB and special teamer. If you watched the first few games last year when DJ was out and WW was filling-in for him, you would have seen that DJ is a FAR superior player. Woodyard is a backup/situational player, not a full-time starter. I know a lot of lesser-informed fans think that our improved play after the bye week last year was entirely a result of the QB position, but the truth is having a healthy DJ, Dumervil and Champ was far more impactful. |
if you take a look at my original post it says gradually that means slowly making the transition not just straight putting him at safety
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Re: Chris Harris. I like the thought of having him at Safety.
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If we don't give up a lot, and don't overpay...yeah I'm in.
The whole Keith Kidd New England stuff is nonsense Samuel played in Philly for quite awhile. Let's not act like he's a garbage player either. Complete overreaction.
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Mike Klis pointed out that compensation isn't the problem right now. It's that getting Samuel to accept a paycut which is the major detour.
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| dbronx42 wrote: | | Mike Klis pointed out that compensation isn't the problem right now. It's that getting Samuel to accept a paycut which is the major detour. |
Go figure... 
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I hope the Broncos can work something out. Asante would be a huge upgrade opposite Champ. And with Porter the team would have a lot of flexibility in their alignments (can move Champ around as Porter can play either slot or outside). And with Harris the team has another slot CB and a guy who could probably also double as another cover safety in passing situations.
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| paul-mac wrote: | | Re: Chris Harris. I like the thought of having him at Safety. |
Would be fine if he were bigger. He played safety in college. Chris Harris is tiny.
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