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Tatupu_64
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| imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I don't see a Willis or Lewis comparison from a playing style either. Probably of the current players in the NFL, he reminds me more of a healthy Jon Beason.
Or a much more athletic and big Lofa Tatupu.
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| immuhguy10 wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I wish I could jump on board with it, but I am not sold on him. Will be greatly disappointed if we have to use #12 on ILB when we let Hawthorne get away. |
Anything is better than Barrett Ruud. He is the equivalent of Lofa Tatupu, in the final 2 years with the Seahawks. He's just awful! He HAS to be replaced. |
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I don't see a Willis or Lewis comparison from a playing style either. Probably of the current players in the NFL, he reminds me more of a healthy Jon Beason.
Or a much more athletic and big Lofa Tatupu. |
I hope to God, you mean Tatupu at the beginning of his career, because his final 2 seasons for us were putrid! |
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Tatupu_64
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I don't see a Willis or Lewis comparison from a playing style either. Probably of the current players in the NFL, he reminds me more of a healthy Jon Beason.
Or a much more athletic and big Lofa Tatupu. |
I hope to God, you mean Tatupu at the beginning of his career, because his final 2 seasons for us were putrid! |
Of course. But Lofa's final two seasons were bad because he lost all athleticism he ever had. Kuechly has Lofa's instincts on the football field. I'd take Lofa's mental game over any LBer in the NFL not named Ray Lewis.
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I don't see a Willis or Lewis comparison from a playing style either. Probably of the current players in the NFL, he reminds me more of a healthy Jon Beason.
Or a much more athletic and big Lofa Tatupu. |
I hope to God, you mean Tatupu at the beginning of his career, because his final 2 seasons for us were putrid! |
Of course. But Lofa's final two seasons were bad because he lost all athleticism he ever had. Kuechly has Lofa's instincts on the football field. I'd take Lofa's mental game over any LBer in the NFL not named Ray Lewis. |
In his final 2 seasons, Lofa was one of the worst tacklers, I had ever seen. He arm tackled everything he saw, and they ran right through him. He didn't even resemble the player he once was. |
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Tatupu_64
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | I dont know if a postion as much as Luke Kueckly. We absolutely have to have this guy on our team. I have read a few articles on him and he will be special. like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis special. If Luck and Kuechly were on the board for us at the same time (given we just signed Flynn) It would be a tough call for me. I think hes that awesome.
ILB is a 1st round prority. pass rush should be available in round 2. |
i think he'll be more like zach thomas special, i don't see him being nearly as physical as lewis or willis |
I don't see a Willis or Lewis comparison from a playing style either. Probably of the current players in the NFL, he reminds me more of a healthy Jon Beason.
Or a much more athletic and big Lofa Tatupu. |
I hope to God, you mean Tatupu at the beginning of his career, because his final 2 seasons for us were putrid! |
Of course. But Lofa's final two seasons were bad because he lost all athleticism he ever had. Kuechly has Lofa's instincts on the football field. I'd take Lofa's mental game over any LBer in the NFL not named Ray Lewis. |
In his final 2 seasons, Lofa was one of the worst tacklers, I had ever seen. He arm tackled everything he saw, and they ran right through him. He didn't even resemble the player he once was. |
Yup. Which again, all circles back to him having shot knees and losing any quickness he once had. Maybe an entire year off was good for him, but I just don't think he had the body to play in the NFL long term.
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Pretty much tied between LEO and pass rushing LB IMO.
I'll say pass rushing LB since we actually have a starting capable LEO on the roster whereas we don't have one at SLB (implying KJ moves to the middle).
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i think it is crazy that you guys think WR is a bigger need than MLB or pass rushing LB. We have absolutel no talent at either of those positions, while at WR we have Rice, who has the potential to be a top-10 WR, BMW, Baldwin, Tate, and even Lockette. I dont understand this...
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Bigjoe0075
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| Kuechly is the best MLB since Willis came out. He has won every award the way LB can win at the college level. His biggest knock was he isn't athletic but he was top performer at the combine. You say Zach Thomas or Jon Beason. Yet he is far more athletic then either. This defense does need outside pass rush but a MLB of this caliber is way more beneficial to our run Defense. Plus a Rush LB or Leo can be found in the 2nd. To say your not sold on him is saying you haven't see him play. I watched 5 mins and knew he was pretty special. Seeing #40 make EVERY tackle and be on top of the ball carrier every play isn't just hype. Id bet anything that Luke Keuchy will have a HOF career. He is that good and has shown that type of production. |
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I see D. Brooks and Urlacher in Keuchly. He's not super physical but is incredibly instinctive, good in coverage, and ALWAYS around the ball.
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The MLB is the QB of the defense. After all the babble all winter about how we 'had' to upgrade the QB, how can it be anyone but Keuchly? If you're all really intent on building for the long term, again, how can it be anyone else, even if someone else might be better for win-this-year? Finallly, if he's really 'the best to come out for XXX years' how can you even hesitate or dither?
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| Bigjoe0075 wrote: | | Kuechly is the best MLB since Willis came out. He has won every award the way LB can win at the college level. His biggest knock was he isn't athletic but he was top performer at the combine. You say Zach Thomas or Jon Beason. Yet he is far more athletic then either. This defense does need outside pass rush but a MLB of this caliber is way more beneficial to our run Defense. Plus a Rush LB or Leo can be found in the 2nd. To say your not sold on him is saying you haven't see him play. I watched 5 mins and knew he was pretty special. Seeing #40 make EVERY tackle and be on top of the ball carrier every play isn't just hype. Id bet anything that Luke Keuchy will have a HOF career. He is that good and has shown that type of production. |
Oh please. I support the Kuechly selection, he's my number 1 guy at this point. But don't make crazy statements like that. Zach Thomas, yes. Jon Beason is as athletic as Kuechly though.
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | Bigjoe0075 wrote: | | Kuechly is the best MLB since Willis came out. He has won every award the way LB can win at the college level. His biggest knock was he isn't athletic but he was top performer at the combine. You say Zach Thomas or Jon Beason. Yet he is far more athletic then either. This defense does need outside pass rush but a MLB of this caliber is way more beneficial to our run Defense. Plus a Rush LB or Leo can be found in the 2nd. To say your not sold on him is saying you haven't see him play. I watched 5 mins and knew he was pretty special. Seeing #40 make EVERY tackle and be on top of the ball carrier every play isn't just hype. Id bet anything that Luke Keuchy will have a HOF career. He is that good and has shown that type of production. |
Oh please. I support the Kuechly selection, he's my number 1 guy at this point. But don't make crazy statements like that. Zach Thomas, yes. Jon Beason is as athletic as Kuechly though. |
Combine #s don't lie. Kuechly is faster and stronger then Beason. .14 seconds in the 40. Put up 8to more reps @225. So how is Beason more athletic?
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I think most people would agree that the biggest need area is pass rush.
So why is a traditional LB the biggest need position?
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | I think most people would agree that the biggest need area is pass rush.
So why is a traditional LB the biggest need position? |
Pass rush is a need. and a big one considering we were towards bottom of the league last year in sacks. but MLB is the QB in carrolls Defense. besides unless we go SLB like Ingram and maybe Perry then that rotational pass rusher is going to sit 1st and 2nd down. while Kuechly or Hightower will be on the feild 4 downs. |
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