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I'm not denying we need better blocking because that's true, but Gano has to improve his accuracy to keep his job. Gano also needs to be more confident and he has to gain more confidence from his coaching staff as well. Shanahan didn't always put it on the blocking, he said once or twice that Gano had low trajectory on his field goals allowing defenders to block them. I also have always questioned Gano's confidence, he's seem rattled several times. I know he's young but he seemed that way on big kicks he missed in 2010 and last year. Shanahan didn't always have the upmost confidence in the guy.
It's pretty evident that is the case because they signed a pro bowl kicker who IMO is one of, if not the most confident kicker in the nfl. I think you can look over Rackers career and see that he is an extremely confident kicker that doesn't think he will ever miss. I don't get that same comfort from Gano and I don't think Shanahan does either.
Anyways, should be a great competition. May the best man win.
(I think it's going to be Rackers)
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gahno suuuuuuucks i hope to god he's outta here this year
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http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/neil-rackers/
I don't know if this is accurate, but spotrac has Neil Rackers 2012 salary down as: $990,000 cap #
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I lived in AZ long enough to not be happy with the Rackers signing. He's numbers look solid and he has a strong leg, but the guy is not clutch. With the game on the line he can't be counted on, that's why AZ let him go. I'd prefer Gano beats him out, he at least has some upside.
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| turtle28 wrote: | I'm not denying we need better blocking because that's true, but Gano has to improve his accuracy to keep his job. Gano also needs to be more confident and he has to gain more confidence from his coaching staff as well. Shanahan didn't always put it on the blocking, he said once or twice that Gano had low trajectory on his field goals allowing defenders to block them. I also have always questioned Gano's confidence, he's seem rattled several times. I know he's young but he seemed that way on big kicks he missed in 2010 and last year. Shanahan didn't always have the upmost confidence in the guy.
It's pretty evident that is the case because they signed a pro bowl kicker who IMO is one of, if not the most confident kicker in the nfl. I think you can look over Rackers career and see that he is an extremely confident kicker that doesn't think he will ever miss. I don't get that same comfort from Gano and I don't think Shanahan does either.
Anyways, should be a great competition. May the best man win.
(I think it's going to be Rackers) |
Um Turtle. Lets go through your assertions.
1.) Absent those blocks Gano was 31 of 36. That's pretty darned accurate.
2.) The reason you saw low trajectory wasn't because the kicks were low. It was because the OL didn't block the DL. The DL got such great pushes into the backfield that the kicks just looked low.
3.) For a young kicker, he's pretty much nailed most of the clutch kicks he's been asked to kick for us. Look at 2011. Most of the games where he missed kicks we weren't in them at all so a missed FG wasn't the difference. A few of the games were won because of his kicks. I think there was maybe one game in 2011 where his missed kicks cost us the win. And I can think of only a few in his first year in 2010 (the Texans or Colts game IIRC where he nailed it but was iced and then missed it). But Woz has already pointed out that he's been pretty solid for us when we needed the kicks to be made. So I don't think he's been rattled at all. I think he's just been a young kicker who is adjusting (going from 3 step to 2 step, dealing with Danny Smith asking him to coffin corner kickoffs,etc...)
4.) He deserves to have camp competition. Everyone does. And if Rackers wins, I will be satisfied as I'm ok with Rackers I guess. But not as happy as if Gano won the job. I think Gano, if we let him get away, is going to be another Akers and punish us for a decade on another NFCE team.
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| Thaiphoon wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | I'm not denying we need better blocking because that's true, but Gano has to improve his accuracy to keep his job. Gano also needs to be more confident and he has to gain more confidence from his coaching staff as well. Shanahan didn't always put it on the blocking, he said once or twice that Gano had low trajectory on his field goals allowing defenders to block them. I also have always questioned Gano's confidence, he's seem rattled several times. I know he's young but he seemed that way on big kicks he missed in 2010 and last year. Shanahan didn't always have the upmost confidence in the guy.
It's pretty evident that is the case because they signed a pro bowl kicker who IMO is one of, if not the most confident kicker in the nfl. I think you can look over Rackers career and see that he is an extremely confident kicker that doesn't think he will ever miss. I don't get that same comfort from Gano and I don't think Shanahan does either.
Anyways, should be a great competition. May the best man win.
(I think it's going to be Rackers) |
Um Turtle. Lets go through your assertions.
1.) Absent those blocks Gano was 31 of 36. That's pretty darned accurate.
2.) The reason you saw low trajectory wasn't because the kicks were low. It was because the OL didn't block the DL. The DL got such great pushes into the backfield that the kicks just looked low.
3.) For a young kicker, he's pretty much nailed most of the clutch kicks he's been asked to kick for us. Look at 2011. Most of the games where he missed kicks we weren't in them at all so a missed FG wasn't the difference. A few of the games were won because of his kicks. I think there was maybe one game in 2011 where his missed kicks cost us the win. And I can think of only a few in his first year in 2010 (the Texans or Colts game IIRC where he nailed it but was iced and then missed it). But Woz has already pointed out that he's been pretty solid for us when we needed the kicks to be made. So I don't think he's been rattled at all. I think he's just been a young kicker who is adjusting (going from 3 step to 2 step, dealing with Danny Smith asking him to coffin corner kickoffs,etc...)
4.) He deserves to have camp competition. Everyone does. And if Rackers wins, I will be satisfied as I'm ok with Rackers I guess. But not as happy as if Gano won the job. I think Gano, if we let him get away, is going to be another Akers and punish us for a decade on another NFCE team. |
Ehh I don't know Thai, I just heard what shanahan has said during the year, he blamed the blocking AND the low trajectory of the kicks.
Also, again, you assume that if his kicks don't get blocked that he makes all of them, I don't assume that.
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| I'd be curious if the Redskins would have signed Rackers had the NFL not bumped the pre-season roster limit up to 90 (from 80). |
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Thaiphoon
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| turtle28 wrote: | | Thaiphoon wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | I'm not denying we need better blocking because that's true, but Gano has to improve his accuracy to keep his job. Gano also needs to be more confident and he has to gain more confidence from his coaching staff as well. Shanahan didn't always put it on the blocking, he said once or twice that Gano had low trajectory on his field goals allowing defenders to block them. I also have always questioned Gano's confidence, he's seem rattled several times. I know he's young but he seemed that way on big kicks he missed in 2010 and last year. Shanahan didn't always have the upmost confidence in the guy.
It's pretty evident that is the case because they signed a pro bowl kicker who IMO is one of, if not the most confident kicker in the nfl. I think you can look over Rackers career and see that he is an extremely confident kicker that doesn't think he will ever miss. I don't get that same comfort from Gano and I don't think Shanahan does either.
Anyways, should be a great competition. May the best man win.
(I think it's going to be Rackers) |
Um Turtle. Lets go through your assertions.
1.) Absent those blocks Gano was 31 of 36. That's pretty darned accurate.
2.) The reason you saw low trajectory wasn't because the kicks were low. It was because the OL didn't block the DL. The DL got such great pushes into the backfield that the kicks just looked low.
3.) For a young kicker, he's pretty much nailed most of the clutch kicks he's been asked to kick for us. Look at 2011. Most of the games where he missed kicks we weren't in them at all so a missed FG wasn't the difference. A few of the games were won because of his kicks. I think there was maybe one game in 2011 where his missed kicks cost us the win. And I can think of only a few in his first year in 2010 (the Texans or Colts game IIRC where he nailed it but was iced and then missed it). But Woz has already pointed out that he's been pretty solid for us when we needed the kicks to be made. So I don't think he's been rattled at all. I think he's just been a young kicker who is adjusting (going from 3 step to 2 step, dealing with Danny Smith asking him to coffin corner kickoffs,etc...)
4.) He deserves to have camp competition. Everyone does. And if Rackers wins, I will be satisfied as I'm ok with Rackers I guess. But not as happy as if Gano won the job. I think Gano, if we let him get away, is going to be another Akers and punish us for a decade on another NFCE team. |
Ehh I don't know Thai, I just heard what shanahan has said during the year, he blamed the blocking AND the low trajectory of the kicks.
Also, again, you assume that if his kicks don't get blocked that he makes all of them, I don't assume that. |
I didn't assume. He was 31 of 41 with the 5 blocks. Take away the blocks and don't assign a make or a miss for them and he's 31 of 36 kicks. If we give him only 2 makes of the 5 kicks then He's 33 of 41 which is still pretty darned good and puts him in the top 3rd of kickers.
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That's not what you originally said and what you've been saying all last year, and your previous post (you just subtract 5 blocks and say thays his %) Right now, he's an average kicker in the league. I really don't care anymore. I hope he kicks better than he has in the past, it would be a very welcome sight. I want nothing more than to watch the redskins field goal kicker go on to the field and believe hes automatic. I currently don't feel that way with Gano, maybe someday I will but it's not today.
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| turtle28 wrote: | | That's not what you originally said and what you've been saying all last year, and your previous post (you just subtract 5 blocks and say thays his %) |
Correct!
What I said earlier this year was to give him the makes for those 5 (which would put him at 36 of 41). You balked at that.
Earlier in this thread I said to take out the 5 blocks and he's 31 of 36. I did that since neither you nor I agree that he would make or miss all of them.
Then, to split the baby (so to speak) I assigned of those kicks, a 40% success rate (only 2 of the 5 blocks I assigned as a make, the other 3 as misses). This puts him at 33 of 41. I could've flipped it and had a 60% success rate which would've put him at 34 of 41, but I didn't want you to complain too much.
I'm going by YOUR yardstick of not assigning automatic makes for all those blocked kicks!! If you want to complain, complain about your logic, because I'm using your measurements (of not assigning all the blocked kicks as makes) to measure him.
| turtle28 wrote: | | Right now, he's an average kicker in the league. I really don't care anymore. I hope he kicks better than he has in the past, it would be a very welcome sight. I want nothing more than to watch the redskins field goal kicker go on to the field and believe hes automatic. I currently don't feel that way with Gano, maybe someday I will but it's not today. |
I also want to feel that way again. And when our OL starts blocking for our kicker, we will have that.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: Gano |
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We are in trouble if Oh no, Gano is our kicker next year. His get off time is slow and the trajectory is low. Both factors lead to way too many blocks.
Rackers is a proven commodity. He repeatedly goes out and does the job setting records time and time again. We are lucky he is here! |
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| I think I just gained a bit of in-sight to this signing. I just read that Gano ,,STILL,,has back soreness from a hit he took in week 17 last year..I can't remember details but I do remember he took a vicious shot and at the time --I thought ,he's out for awhile .. Rackers is absolutely insurance as well as competition. |
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| RSkinGM wrote: | | I think I just gained a bit of in-sight to this signing. I just read that Gano ,,STILL,,has back soreness from a hit he took in week 17 last year..I can't remember details but I do remember he took a vicious shot and at the time --I thought ,he's out for awhile .. Rackers is absolutely insurance as well as competition. |
He's pretty good compeition, they did a good job on this signing imo. Gano's back must be bothersome if it is still hurting him 6 months after that hit. 
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