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keepnitgangsta1
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| khodder wrote: | | So of the three of us, I am the only one not to give Luck an A+. Personally I save A+ for the best picks, and that includes a value gain(learned when I had to give an A++ last year) Luck and Griffin both good picks but tough to get "plus value" at 1st and 2nd overall. |
I view it as him being a possible future hall of famer. That's how talented he is. He is an A+ based on how good of a player he is.
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6.) Dallas Cowboys (from St. Louis) - Morris Claiborne [CB; LSU]
LOVE the pick for the Cowboys. Have Claiborne has my fourth ranked player in this year's draft, and now the Cowboys traded up to get a player in a position of significant need. The Cowboys secondary should be much improved with Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne in the secondary.
Grade: A
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CWood21
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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7.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Jacksonville) - Mark Barron [S; Alabama]
The Buccaneers blew this one, and completely got played by other GMs. Personally, I don't have a first round grade on him so the value isn't there, but than again I'm probably lower on him than most guys. Going into the draft, the Buccaneers were set to get either Trent Richardson or Morris Claiborne and now they're stuck taking a guy whose limited to a in the box SS.
Grade: D+
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CWood21
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8.) Miami Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill [QB; Texas A&M]
While I completely understand this pick on the Dolphins part, I just don't like the value of taking him this guy. He's a year or two away from actually contributing, but the fit is ideal. He' s going to work with Joe Philbin whose got plenty of experience of developing quarterbacks but also the familiarity of Mike Sherman.
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CWood21
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9.) Carolina Panthers - Luke Kuechly [LB; Boston College]
Love the player, hate the fact that he plays a relatively low valued position. You know what you're going to get from Luke Kuechly, and while he doesn't posses a ton of upside he's going to be a great football player for several years to come. With all the question marks regarding the Panthers linebackers.
Grade: B+
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keepnitgangsta1
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You and I have a lot of the same ideas about these players it seems.
Besides Tannehill, every thing else seems to match up pretty well.
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CWood21
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Top 20 grades are in, have at them. Hopefully I'll get the next twelve in before midnight, as well as my best players available.
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| Quote: | 8.) Miami Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill [QB; Texas A&M]
While I completely understand this pick on the Dolphins part, I just don't like the value of taking him this guy. He's a year or two away from actually contributing, but the fit is ideal. He' s going to work with Joe Philbin whose got plenty of experience of developing quarterbacks but also the familiarity of Mike Sherman.
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Just wondering why exactly you think he is a year or two away from contributing? And if you hold that belief do you think the only QB in that draft who is ready to contibute year one or two is Andrew Luck?
Tannehill is more ready that either Weeden or Griffin to play right away.
| Quote: | 13.) Arizona Cardinals - Michael Floyd [WR; Notre Dame]
The Cardinals got their guy and I'm sure Larry Fitzgerald is pleased to know he still runs that draft room. Not a bad fit, but I feel like offensive line was a more pressing need and while I don't think Reiff was as good a value as Floyd is I think he would have been a better pick. David DeCastro was another name I thought would have possibly been a better pick.
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Floyd was being touted as this teams pick long before Fitz said he would like it if the team drafted Michael. The team had bought him in for visits interviewed him at the combine, and he was among the top 3 choices according to most Cards beat writers about 3 weeks ago. Before Fitz said a word.
I would not have been fussed either way on Floyd or Reiff, but I did not want DeCastro purely becasue it would have forced us to move Adam Snyder to RT.
I would rather have Snyder - ?????/Jeremy Bridges on the right side of the OL as opposed to DeCastro/Snyder.nyder is jsut that bad as a tackle.
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| CWood21 wrote: | | while he doesn't posses a ton of upside |
I've got to disagree with this in reference to Luke Kuechly. Has terrific instincts and is a very good athlete in a 6'3 240 frame. He also posted numbers that were among the best of the LBs at the combine. He's no Patrick Willis of course but I think he's got a lot more upside than people give credit.
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| khodder wrote: | Just wondering why exactly you think he is a year or two away from contributing? And if you hold that belief do you think the only QB in that draft who is ready to contibute year one or two is Andrew Luck?
Tannehill is more ready that either Weeden or Griffin to play right away. |
I'm a strong believer that a rookie QB should sit most if not all of their rookie season. I find it far more effective to develop the quarterback by letting them get comfortable with the system through practice than just throwing him to the fire. Obviously there are exceptions like Andrew Luck who came out of an NFL system and have worked it extensively, so the learning curve is a bit less than other QBs who don't. As for being more NFL ready than Griffin, remember Tannehill has only a limited amount of starts as a QB and I feel like RGIII can go out and win more games based on his raw talents.
| khodder wrote: | Floyd was being touted as this teams pick long before Fitz said he would like it if the team drafted Michael. The team had bought him in for visits interviewed him at the combine, and he was among the top 3 choices according to most Cards beat writers about 3 weeks ago. Before Fitz said a word.
I would not have been fussed either way on Floyd or Reiff, but I did not want DeCastro purely becasue it would have forced us to move Adam Snyder to RT.
I would rather have Snyder - ?????/Jeremy Bridges on the right side of the OL as opposed to DeCastro/Snyder.nyder is jsut that bad as a tackle. |
I was more or less joking when I was talking about Fitz controlling the FO. Like I said before, I liked the value of both Reiff and DeCastro there regardless of who that pushes to RT. If you think a player is a superior prospect in the case of DeCastro, you shouldn't pass on him because it might make another position a weak link. Again, Floyd wasn't a bad pick I just felt they would have been more justified taking a lineman there with how deep this receiver class is.
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| iknowcool wrote: | | I've got to disagree with this in reference to Luke Kuechly. Has terrific instincts and is a very good athlete in a 6'3 240 frame. He also posted numbers that were among the best of the LBs at the combine. He's no Patrick Willis of course but I think he's got a lot more upside than people give credit. |
But the fact remains he's a 4-3 LB, and those only have so much value on game day. He's not going to be a huge turnover machine and he isn't going to be an impact player like Patrick Willis in the middle of the Panthers defense.
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First round grades are done. Currently working on my best players available.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:27 am Post subject: Re: CWood21's 2012 NFL Draft Grades |
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32.) New York Giants - David Wilson [RB; Virginia Tech]
Don't love the player, and don't see a whole lot of value here either. Felt that a trade down would have been more effective, or even going with another pass rusher isn't a bad idea. Just don't see enough in Wilson to invest a first round pick when Ahmad Bradshaw and a mid round pick could produce similar results.
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Highly disagree. Bradshaw is half robotic at this point and is injured often. Behind him, we have track star Da'Rel Scott and Danny Ware. With a coach that will never abandon the run, that screams another season of Eli having to do it himself and 32 ranked run offense. JR said Wilson was a football player and could do anything you ask him to. Return kicks/punts, make all the cuts, and receive out of the backfield, something we haven't had success with since Tiki.
Having, let's say Isaiah Pead or Robert Turbin handle the running load with Danny Ware if Bradshaw goes down worries me a ton. So glad I don't have to worry about that anymore.
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No grade for the Chiefs? Or just to many question marks right now?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:31 am Post subject: Re: CWood21's 2012 NFL Draft Grades |
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| minutemancl wrote: | Highly disagree. Bradshaw is half robotic at this point and is injured often. Behind him, we have track star Da'Rel Scott and Danny Ware. With a coach that will never abandon the run, that screams another season of Eli having to do it himself and 32 ranked run offense. JR said Wilson was a football player and could do anything you ask him to. Return kicks/punts, make all the cuts, and receive out of the backfield, something we haven't had success with since Tiki.
Having, let's say Isaiah Pead or Robert Turbin handle the running load with Danny Ware if Bradshaw goes down worries me a ton. So glad I don't have to worry about that anymore. |
The thing is that running backs are a dime a dozen in this league where we see mid round running backs outproduce their early pick counterparts. We've seen a team like the Steelers who've been a run first, run second, and pass third offense transform into more of a passing team. At some point, Coughlin is going to have to start adjusting his play calling and put the ball in the hands of his best offensive player.
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