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CWood21
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| Chiefer wrote: | | No grade for the Chiefs? |
It's there now. I think part of the reason why I stopped doing these while watching the draft was that I felt like my mind was going 200 MPH.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| CWood21 wrote: | | Chiefer wrote: | | No grade for the Chiefs? |
It's there now. I think part of the reason why I stopped doing these while watching the draft was that I felt like my mind was going 200 MPH. |
Its all good that's what I thought happened.
And I agree with your grade, Poe has the potential to be good but that's all it is right now. I'd give us a C- too.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: Re: CWood21's 2012 NFL Draft Grades |
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| CWood21 wrote: | | minutemancl wrote: | Highly disagree. Bradshaw is half robotic at this point and is injured often. Behind him, we have track star Da'Rel Scott and Danny Ware. With a coach that will never abandon the run, that screams another season of Eli having to do it himself and 32 ranked run offense. JR said Wilson was a football player and could do anything you ask him to. Return kicks/punts, make all the cuts, and receive out of the backfield, something we haven't had success with since Tiki.
Having, let's say Isaiah Pead or Robert Turbin handle the running load with Danny Ware if Bradshaw goes down worries me a ton. So glad I don't have to worry about that anymore. |
The thing is that running backs are a dime a dozen in this league where we see mid round running backs outproduce their early pick counterparts. We've seen a team like the Steelers who've been a run first, run second, and pass third offense transform into more of a passing team. At some point, Coughlin is going to have to start adjusting his play calling and put the ball in the hands of his best offensive player. |
We finally did that this past season, but that doesn't mean you can abandon the run completely. Eli had to convert so many 3rd and longs this year because of inept runningbacks, it was ridiculous. And yes, it was because of the runningbacks. The cutback lanes were there, but Jacobs and Bradshaw decided constantly to just sit down at the LOS.
And yes, RBs do seem to be a dime a dozen, but there are always special ones. I think Wilson is one of those special ones. And if you need to justify the draft position, 32 is essentially an early second.
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Catz Pajamaz
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:01 am Post subject: |
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So where do you see Kuechly fitting into Carolina's defense next season?
Does he start over Davis at LOLB?
Does he start at MLB and kick Beason over to LOLB?
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CWood21
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:03 am Post subject: Re: CWood21's 2012 NFL Draft Grades |
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| minutemancl wrote: | We finally did that this past season, but that doesn't mean you can abandon the run completely. Eli had to convert so many 3rd and longs this year because of inept runningbacks, it was ridiculous. And yes, it was because of the runningbacks. The cutback lanes were there, but Jacobs and Bradshaw decided constantly to just sit down at the LOS.
And yes, RBs do seem to be a dime a dozen, but there are always special ones. I think Wilson is one of those special ones. And if you need to justify the draft position, 32 is essentially an early second. |
I'm not asking the Giants to completely abandon the run, but they can't be as reliant on it like they have in the past. The league is evolving regardless of whether or not Coughlin wants to go with it. The Giants need more than anything a capable running back, they don't need a special one. I just don't see the value in drafting a capable, but not special running back which is what I view Wilson in the first round.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| CWood21 wrote: | | khodder wrote: | Just wondering why exactly you think he is a year or two away from contributing? And if you hold that belief do you think the only QB in that draft who is ready to contibute year one or two is Andrew Luck?
Tannehill is more ready that either Weeden or Griffin to play right away. |
I'm a strong believer that a rookie QB should sit most if not all of their rookie season. I find it far more effective to develop the quarterback by letting them get comfortable with the system through practice than just throwing him to the fire. Obviously there are exceptions like Andrew Luck who came out of an NFL system and have worked it extensively, so the learning curve is a bit less than other QBs who don't. As for being more NFL ready than Griffin, remember Tannehill has only a limited amount of starts as a QB and I feel like RGIII can go out and win more games based on his raw talents. |
His limited number of starts came in a prototypical NFL offense. He is one of two QB's I scouted (Luck the other) that made seven step drop throws on out breaking routes. He is now going straight into that same offense in Miami and he knows the timing, he knows the verbiage. He knows what playing in that offense is like from a receivers perspective (Which is a huge bonus). I just think his limited number of starts has been blown completely out of perspective, as long as he has one season of starts and has put enough on tape to be taken early he deserves to be.
I see very few flaws on tape. He has the big arm that allows him to make throws to the sideline from the opposite hash, he has good ball placement. He leads his receivers well and can make touch throws. His footwork is good and quick in his dropbacks 3, 5 and 7 steps. He is comfortable in the pocket and moves well in the pocket. His biggest issue is his decision making and that led to many of his interceptions, throwing to covered guys et al. But those are things that will only come through playing the game.
RGIII is a better prospect because of his upside. You ask me who the better QB is right now, and it is Tannehill no question.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Catz Pajamaz wrote: | So where do you see Kuechly fitting into Carolina's defense next season?
Does he start over Davis at LOLB?
Does he start at MLB and kick Beason over to LOLB? |
He'll start for sure. Davis is a huge question mark coming off his third ACL surgery, so I wouldn't count on much from him. I'd probably pencil him at the MIKE, because I actually prefer Beason at the WILL. They could start him at the SAM in order to get James Anderson on the field. Definitely depends on where Davis is in his recovery and how he's playing if he is.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| khodder wrote: | His limited number of starts came in a prototypical NFL offense. He is one of two QB's I scouted (Luck the other) that made seven step drop throws on out breaking routes. He is now going straight into that same offense in Miami and he knows the timing, he knows the verbiage. He knows what playing in that offense is like from a receivers perspective (Which is a huge bonus). I just think his limited number of starts has been blown completely out of perspective, as long as he has one season of starts and has put enough on tape to be taken early he deserves to be.
I see very few flaws on tape. He has the big arm that allows him to make throws to the sideline from the opposite hash, he has good ball placement. He leads his receivers well and can make touch throws. His footwork is good and quick in his dropbacks 3, 5 and 7 steps. He is comfortable in the pocket and moves well in the pocket. His biggest issue is his decision making and that led to many of his interceptions, throwing to covered guys et al. But those are things that will only come through playing the game.
RGIII is a better prospect because of his upside. You ask me who the better QB is right now, and it is Tannehill no question. |
I found his accuracy in the pocket was a bit shaky, and his footwork isn't real great either. I'm more worried about him getting to know the nuances of the position like progessing through reads, manipulating the safeties, etc. Tannehill essentially just tossed the ball to the open receiver. Also, he's had fumbling issues and that could hurt his confidence. He really faltered down the stretch last year, and a young quarterbacks' confidence is arguably the most important thing for him. I'm not worried about him picking up the offense, I just don't think he's been exposed enough to call him NFL-ready just yet.
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I'm curious about the Lions grade in relation to the Packers. Lions got a player who most had going in the top 10 top 15 max. Packers got a guy who was Mayocks 49th best player 5 picks later. Obviously you disagree with Mike but I saw know one giving Perry a grade within 5 of Reiff but the Lions are 5 picks before and got a lower grade.
Sounds like Lions got a better value pick but got a lower grade.
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| skatebeanz wrote: | I'm curious about the Lions grade in relation to the Packers. Lions got a player who most had going in the top 10 top 15 max. Packers got a guy who was Mayocks 49th best player 5 picks later. Obviously you disagree with Mike but I saw know one giving Perry a grade within 5 of Reiff but the Lions are 5 picks before and got a lower grade.
Sounds like Lions got a better value pick but got a lower grade. |
Like I said earlier, my grades are based on three categories: Value of the prospect at the given spot, a need immediate or in the near future, and what I think about the prospect. I've got Nick Perry ranked as the 10th best player in the draft with top 15 value, where as I've got Riley Reiff as my 19th best prospect and a late first round value. I could honestly care what Mike Mayock ranks his players, I'm going by my board, the team that takes him, and does it help the team. The difference between the Perry and Reiff grades really aren't as significant, and has more to do with what I believe each player's upside is.
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We have very similar grades for pretty much everybody, but I don't think you are giving enough credit to the Wilson pick at the end of the first round. I think that his value was always around the late 1st-early 2nd and running back is a need for them right now. They love running multiple back sets and Wilson gives them a legitimate speed guy that they haven't had for a while. I had Wilson rated as my #4 HB behind Pead, Miller, and T. Rich, and didn't think it was the best selection, but surely not a C- in my eyes.
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| CWood21 wrote: | | khodder wrote: | His limited number of starts came in a prototypical NFL offense. He is one of two QB's I scouted (Luck the other) that made seven step drop throws on out breaking routes. He is now going straight into that same offense in Miami and he knows the timing, he knows the verbiage. He knows what playing in that offense is like from a receivers perspective (Which is a huge bonus). I just think his limited number of starts has been blown completely out of perspective, as long as he has one season of starts and has put enough on tape to be taken early he deserves to be.
I see very few flaws on tape. He has the big arm that allows him to make throws to the sideline from the opposite hash, he has good ball placement. He leads his receivers well and can make touch throws. His footwork is good and quick in his dropbacks 3, 5 and 7 steps. He is comfortable in the pocket and moves well in the pocket. His biggest issue is his decision making and that led to many of his interceptions, throwing to covered guys et al. But those are things that will only come through playing the game.
RGIII is a better prospect because of his upside. You ask me who the better QB is right now, and it is Tannehill no question. |
I found his accuracy in the pocket was a bit shaky, and his footwork isn't real great either. I'm more worried about him getting to know the nuances of the position like progessing through reads, manipulating the safeties, etc. Tannehill essentially just tossed the ball to the open receiver. Also, he's had fumbling issues and that could hurt his confidence. He really faltered down the stretch last year, and a young quarterbacks' confidence is arguably the most important thing for him. I'm not worried about him picking up the offense, I just don't think he's been exposed enough to call him NFL-ready just yet. |
What? No, that's what guys like Weeden and Griffin did. Tannehill showed a surprisingly strong comprehension of reads and progressions in a pro-style offense. That's one of his stronger attributes. He suffered from poor line play and over 60 drops from his receivers. His footwork is far in advance of any QB in this draft not named Andrew Luck.
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| I just want to mark this thread, Kodder says that Tannehill is a better quarterback than Griffin RG3. Okay got it... |
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1. Andrew Luck - A+
2. Robert Griffin - A-
3. Trent Richardson - A-
4. Matt Kalil - A
5. Justin Blackmon - A-
6. Morris Claiborne - A
7. Mark Barron - C+
8. Ryan Tannehill - C
9. Luke Kuechly - C-
10. Stephon Gilmore - B+
11. Dontari Poe - C
12. Fletcher Cox - B+
13. Michael Floyd - B+
14. Michael Brockers - B
15. Bruce Irvin - D
16. Quentin Coples - B
17. Dre Kirkpatrick - B+
18. Melvin Ingram - C
19. Shea McClellin - C+
20. Kendall Wright - C+
21. Chandler Jones - A-
22. Brandon Weeden - C-
23. Riley Reiff - A-
24. David DeCastro - A
25. Dont'a Hightower - B+
26. Whitney Mercilus - B+
27. Kevin Zeitler - C
28. Nick Perry - C+
29. Harrison Smith - C-
30. AJ Jenkins - C
31. Doug Martin - C+
32. David Wilson - B+
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