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stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: Schefter: "Picks 3-16 All Trying To Trade Back" |
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Promises to be an active, unpredictable draft. One NFL GM went so far as to say today, "Picks 3-16 are all trying to trade back."
https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter
This is what hurts us more than anything. Everyone and their dog is trying to trade back, there's tooo much competition to do it. We might be locked in at 13 if this is true. _________________
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JohnnyV 
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I believe that we want to trade back, but will be unable to, just like most of those other teams sitting there. _________________
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stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| JohnnyV wrote: | | I believe that we want to trade back, but will be unable to, just like most of those other teams sitting there. |
I think the Eagles and Jets will be interested in getting up, maybe the Pats, never know with them. The problem I see is, if these teams badly want to get up, why wouldn't they just get into the top 10? If all the teams from 3-10 want to get down, why wouldn't The Eagles/Jets/Pats just do that? Ya, it might cost a little more but it's also a better chance of getting the guy you want. It's gonna be tough to get down IMO. _________________
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younggun1273 
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | JohnnyV wrote: | | I believe that we want to trade back, but will be unable to, just like most of those other teams sitting there. |
I think the Eagles and Jets will be interested in getting up, maybe the Pats, never know with them. The problem I see is, if these teams badly want to get up, why wouldn't they just get into the top 10? If all the teams from 3-10 want to get down, why wouldn't The Eagles/Jets/Pats just do that? Ya, it might cost a little more but it's also a better chance of getting the guy you want. It's gonna be tough to get down IMO. |
If the demand for teams to move down is really that high, than wouldn't it theoretically make trading up easier than it has in the past? Teams like NE might just have to offer one second round pick and a late first to move up into the teens if demand is high/teams are desperate. _________________
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DirtyDez
Joined: 15 Oct 2010 Posts: 9630 Location: the Arizona desert
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| younggun1273 wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | JohnnyV wrote: | | I believe that we want to trade back, but will be unable to, just like most of those other teams sitting there. |
I think the Eagles and Jets will be interested in getting up, maybe the Pats, never know with them. The problem I see is, if these teams badly want to get up, why wouldn't they just get into the top 10? If all the teams from 3-10 want to get down, why wouldn't The Eagles/Jets/Pats just do that? Ya, it might cost a little more but it's also a better chance of getting the guy you want. It's gonna be tough to get down IMO. |
If the demand for teams to move down is really that high, than wouldn't it theoretically make trading up easier than it has in the past? Teams like NE might just have to offer one second round pick and a late first to move up into the teens if demand is high/teams are desperate. |
Came here to post this. If teams are desperate to move down we could move up with less picks. _________________
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stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| younggun1273 wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | JohnnyV wrote: | | I believe that we want to trade back, but will be unable to, just like most of those other teams sitting there. |
I think the Eagles and Jets will be interested in getting up, maybe the Pats, never know with them. The problem I see is, if these teams badly want to get up, why wouldn't they just get into the top 10? If all the teams from 3-10 want to get down, why wouldn't The Eagles/Jets/Pats just do that? Ya, it might cost a little more but it's also a better chance of getting the guy you want. It's gonna be tough to get down IMO. |
If the demand for teams to move down is really that high, than wouldn't it theoretically make trading up easier than it has in the past? Teams like NE might just have to offer one second round pick and a late first to move up into the teens if demand is high/teams are desperate. |
In the way your thinking about it, yes but remember, the supply has to meet the demand. _________________
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Boise&cards Fan 
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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No surprise to me. The draft is not loaded with talent and the different between the talent level is not big at all. _________________
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khodder 
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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When you get a draft where a player you can select at 11 or 12 is only marginally better overall than a player you can select at 30 or 31 teams are going to want to move back.
One big thing for us is that we sit one slot ahead of the Cowboys, who have said they are big on Barron. Behind them we have had the Eagles, the Chargers and possibly the Jets/Patriots that could use some safety help.
They also love DeCastro (and my gut feel is we pass on him even if he is there) and a team like Cincinnati might be keen to trade up with one of their first rounders and maybe a 2nd, maybe a 3rd to get above Dallas for DeCastro. _________________ Patrick Peterson - 92 targets, 40 catches allowed, 602 yards, 6 TD's, 7 INT's
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stchamp98

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 52947 Location: Havre, Montana
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| khodder wrote: | When you get a draft where a player you can select at 11 or 12 is only marginally better overall than a player you can select at 30 or 31 teams are going to want to move back.
One big thing for us is that we sit one slot ahead of the Cowboys, who have said they are big on Barron. Behind them we have had the Eagles, the Chargers and possibly the Jets/Patriots that could use some safety help.
They also love DeCastro (and my gut feel is we pass on him even if he is there) and a team like Cincinnati might be keen to trade up with one of their first rounders and maybe a 2nd, maybe a 3rd to get above Dallas for DeCastro. |
The question is, would those teams make that trade up WITH US? 3-16 looking to trade down, that means there are 13 other teams saying "pick me, pick me". Are we going to able to convince to trade with us...and how are we going to do so? That's the question. _________________
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DJ_Fka 
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Simple economics people
Supply vs demand.
There will be an oversupply of top 13 picks wanting to move back.
Therefore any team wanting to move up will get a bargin, as you cannot ask for too much, as you can trade with anyone.
Means if Kalil slides, we could offer 1st and 3rd and possibly move up.
This is great for us, if we want him.
if we dont, just sit still, less stress that way. |
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stchamp98

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| DJ_Fka wrote: | Simple economics people
Supply vs demand.
There will be an oversupply of top 13 picks wanting to move back.
Therefore any team wanting to move up will get a bargin, as you cannot ask for too much, as you can trade with anyone.
Means if Kalil slides, we could offer 1st and 3rd and possibly move up.
This is great for us, if we want him.
if we dont, just sit still, less stress that way. |
Dez referred to that earlier. That is certainly a valid scenario. _________________
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stchamp98

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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There are rumblings now out of San Diego that the Chargers could be interested in trading down to secure the rights to Alabama safety Mark Barron.
If Barron gets past Buffalo at 10, we might have a shot at getting down. Anyone looking at Barron would absolutely have to get ahead of Dallas at 14. _________________
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DJ_Fka 
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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The question is how far ahead of Dallas do you have to go?
NYJ want him to apparently.
Anyone from 11 onwards is a reasonable trade target.
Just have to ask for enough, but not too much to scupper the deal. |
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stchamp98

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| DJ_Fka wrote: | The question is how far ahead of Dallas do you have to go?
NYJ want him to apparently.
Anyone from 11 onwards is a reasonable trade target.
Just have to ask for enough, but not too much to scupper the deal. |
IF he gets by Buffalo at 10, they only have to go to 13 to get Barron. Chiefs won't take him, Seahawks won't take him. Whether they actually trade with us at 13 is obviously something I don't know but they only have to get ahead of Dallas at 14, which is pick 13, to get acquire Barron IF he gets past Buffalo. _________________
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DJ_Fka 
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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If you are SD and know Dallas is at 14.
Barron gets past Bills at 10, do you go to 11 to get him, or do you wait?
If i love a player that much I make the move to go high, make sure i get him, waiting means you get trumped by someone else, take control of the situation. |
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