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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Overall Draft Rating Reply with quote

According to the guidelines:

Round 1 - need: Did Washington fill a need with Griffin? I'd say so. Even though there were no holes at the QB position, it is still a perceived need.

Rounds 2 & 3 - contributors: Did Washington find a contributor with LeRibeus? That's a good question and will have to be answered later. I don't know their plans for him.

Rounds 4 & 5 - Special Teams/Reserves: Did they find a quality reserve in Cousins? Hell yeah! That was a steal. How about Robinson? I don't know where he will land. He has ST skills, and he could win a job as a reserve LB. I see Gettis as a solid reserve.

Rounds 6 & 7 - anything goes/practice squad: Alfred Morris, probably a PS player. Tom Compton. I can also see him on the PS, but he could be a surprise like Chris Neild last year and become a reserve. Between Crawford and Bernstine, the two 7th round DBs, one of them will probably end up being a special teams gunner, and one will be on the PS.

For now, I will give our draft a B. I'm not sure if LeRibeus is going to be a contributor this year, and I don't know if Robinson is going to be effective on special teams and if he will win a job as a reserve. Other than that, all the picks make sense.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that the OL taken are known for their attitudes. Cooks days as a Skins are numbered. Cousins is actually growing on me but I still don't love it. We still have Thompson, Robinson, Hurt and Smith developing from last year. I seem to recall Thompson being known as a good cover guy. Robinson is a fast slot guy. 9 more picks to add to the 12 from last year, not to mention any UDFA's we bring in.

Alfred is known for blocking. I'm feeling better about the draft than I was. Every pick doesn't have to be a name guy. I'll give it a B- until we know more.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What were the weaknesses heading into the draft?
    1 - Quarterback
    2 - OL depth
    3 - ILB depth (London understudy)
    4 - Secondary depth
    5 - RB depth
** You could make an argument for a starting RT as the #2 need but without a second rounder, that wasn't going to happen.

Did they address those needs?
Starting and Reserve QB - RGIII and Kirk Cousins; couldn't have hoped for better.

Two interior lineman and a RT - McRib could step in if Steiger isn't fully healthy to start the season. He might get some starting reps in OTAs, or share them with Mo Hurt and that will help him. The depth at center has been an issue and they've drafted a player who projects there. Compton seems pretty athletic and there is an opening at reserve RT.

ILB depth - Keenan Robinson. Coaches worked with him at the Senior Bowl, so they likely have a pretty good idea of his character and practice/study habits. Hopefully he can develop under Fletcher.

Secondary depth - They took flyers on a talented kid with a long injury list, and a smaller school player who performed well. Team is banking on their off-season additions to hold the fort. We'll see if that happens.

RB depth - Hightower is still a FA and you have to trust Shanahan when it comes to late-round RBs.

As I suspected, this was very much a 'need' draft. Hopefully next year, with improved depth courtesy of the last two drafts and free agency, we can see more BPA picks. That's my only real complaint regarding these picks is that they are solid more than potentially spectacular, other than Griffin.

Losing the second round pick was rough, but they did relatively well at filling in the holes on the roster. You can carry 90, bring them into camp and let them compete. As with any draft, particularly when you have more late round picks, it's all about how these players develop and perform on the field.

I'd give the team a B because they addressed their needs but could have made some better picks. For instance, Ta'amu was there for the taking but we chose to fill a need rather than select the arguable BPA. Sure, they managed to pick up a 6th rounder that gave them a RT, however Ta'amu could have been a long-term player for this team.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

footy_29 wrote:
What were the weaknesses heading into the draft?
    1 - Quarterback
    2 - OL depth
    3 - ILB depth (London understudy)
    4 - Secondary depth
    5 - RB depth
** You could make an argument for a starting RT as the #2 need but without a second rounder, that wasn't going to happen.

Did they address those needs?
Starting and Reserve QB - RGIII and Kirk Cousins; couldn't have hoped for better.

Two interior lineman and a RT - McRib could step in if Steiger isn't fully healthy to start the season. He might get some starting reps in OTAs, or share them with Mo Hurt and that will help him. Compton seems pretty athletic and there is an opening at RT, could stick and that would be great value for his selection.

ILB depth - Keenan Robinson. Coaches worked with him at the Senior Bowl, so they likely have a pretty good idea of his character and practice/study habits. Hopefully he can develop under Fletcher.

Secondary depth - They took flyers on a talented kid with a long injury list, and a smaller school player who performed well. Team is banking on their off-season additions to hold the fort. We'll see if that happens.

RB depth - Hightower is still a FA and you have to trust Shanahan when it comes to late-round RBs.

As I suspected, this was very much a 'need' draft. Hopefully next year, with improved depth courtesy of the last two drafts and free agency, we can see more BPA picks. That's my only real complaint regarding these picks is that they are solid more than potentially spectacular, other than Griffin.

Losing the second round pick was rough, but they did relatively well at filling in the holes on the roster. You can carry 90, bring them into camp and let them compete.

I'd give the team a B/B+ because they addressed their needs but could have made some better picks. For instance, Ta'amu was there for the taking but we chose to fill a need rather than select the arguable BPA. Sure, they managed to pick up a 6th rounder that gave them a RT, however Ta'amu could have been a long-term player for this team.


We have different definitions of need. I don't consider "depth" as a need. As for ILB, the starters are in place with Fletcher and Riley. They didn't "need" Robinson as they could easily fill in the depth with veteran free agents, like they did with Kehl. I see Robinson as a project for the future. If they didn't sign him, then they could have brought back Fox, McIntosh or any of the other ILBs still out there.

The reason that the Redskins didn't draft Ta'amu is simply because they didn't want him. The Colts are changing over to a 3-4 defense. Their starting NT is Brandon McKinney who has played six games in six seasons. They desperately needed a NT. They passed on Ta'amu a couple of times and ended up with Chapman. Ta'amu just isn't a BPA candidate for many teams, especially for Washington who has a great NT in Cofield.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other than Griffin I want to trade our draft for Philly's
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see analysis here, that's great but what are people's ratings/grades of the draft.

1- Griffin: A+
3- LeReibus: C+
4- Cousins: F
4- Robinson: A+
5- Gettis: B
6- Morris: B
6- Compton: B
7- Crawford: B
7- Bernstein: A

Overall I give us a B. If it wasn't for the Cousins pick I'd give us an A
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

footy_29 wrote:
What were the weaknesses heading into the draft?
    1 - Quarterback
    2 - OL depth
    3 - ILB depth (London understudy)
    4 - Secondary depth
    5 - RB depth
** You could make an argument for a starting RT as the #2 need but without a second rounder, that wasn't going to happen.

Did they address those needs?
Starting and Reserve QB - RGIII and Kirk Cousins; couldn't have hoped for better.

Two interior lineman and a RT - McRib could step in if Steiger isn't fully healthy to start the season. He might get some starting reps in OTAs, or share them with Mo Hurt and that will help him. Compton seems pretty athletic and there is an opening at RT, could stick and that would be great value for his selection.

ILB depth - Keenan Robinson. Coaches worked with him at the Senior Bowl, so they likely have a pretty good idea of his character and practice/study habits. Hopefully he can develop under Fletcher.

Secondary depth - They took flyers on a talented kid with a long injury list, and a smaller school player who performed well. Team is banking on their off-season additions to hold the fort. We'll see if that happens.

RB depth - Hightower is still a FA and you have to trust Shanahan when it comes to late-round RBs.

As I suspected, this was very much a 'need' draft. Hopefully next year, with improved depth courtesy of the last two drafts and free agency, we can see more BPA picks. That's my only real complaint regarding these picks is that they are solid more than potentially spectacular, other than Griffin.

Losing the second round pick was rough, but they did relatively well at filling in the holes on the roster. You can carry 90, bring them into camp and let them compete.

I'd give the team a B/B+ because they addressed their needs but could have made some better picks. For instance, Ta'amu was there for the taking but we chose to fill a need rather than select the arguable BPA. Sure, they managed to pick up a 6th rounder that gave them a RT, however Ta'amu could have been a long-term player for this team.
I totally agree with you footy. Especially on Ta'amu, we've been on the same page for months, like what? 7.. I like the guy also, he needs some work, but he moves well and has starter potential as a NT in the nfl.

midniterc wrote:
We have different definitions of need. I don't consider "depth" as a need. As for ILB, the starters are in place with Fletcher and Riley. They didn't "need" Robinson as they could easily fill in the depth with veteran free agents, like they did with Kehl. I see Robinson as a project for the future. If they didn't sign him, then they could have brought back Fox, McIntosh or any of the other ILBs still out there.

The reason that the Redskins didn't draft Ta'amu is simply because they didn't want him. The Colts are changing over to a 3-4 defense. Their starting NT is Brandon McKinney who has played six games in six seasons. They desperately needed a NT. They passed on Ta'amu a couple of times and ended up with Chapman. Ta'amu just isn't a BPA candidate for many teams, especially for Washington who has a great NT in Cofield.
I disagree, the reason we didn't take a NT isn't because we didn't want them, it's because they felt they "didn't need" a NT. I wanted a NT because it's the most important position on a defense in the 3-4, but this years class isn't as good as next years class. Next years NT class is the best I can ever remember, there could be 3 first rounders. It's seriously deep. They also love Cofield (in his prime), Neild (developing young NT), and Jenkins could be a candidate to play NT as well.

Mid, Have you seen McKinney play? I predicted The colts would sign McKinney and Redding and they'd be their starters day 1. the colts have several DL for depth already and needed help for Luck. McKinney didn't start in Balt because of who was infront of him. Terrance Cody and Haloti Nagata! Not because he isn't a solid NT. when he played, McKinney was a stout run stuffer at 345 lbs. he's a great signing for the colts and will be a starter at NT for years to come.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll do it in Turtle's format:

1- Griffin: A+
3- LeReibus: C+
4- Cousins: C-
4- Robinson: B
5- Gettis: B
6- Morris: D
6- Compton: B
7- Crawford: B
7- Bernstein: A

On average I'd give us a B or B-
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
I see analysis here, that's great but what are people's ratings/grades of the draft.

1- Griffin: A+
3- LeReibus: C+
4- Cousins: F
4- Robinson: A+
5- Gettis: B
6- Morris: B
6- Compton: B
7- Crawford: B
7- Bernstein: A

Overall I give us a B. If it wasn't for the Cousins pick I'd give us an A



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I like the format you guys are using. I agree with your assessments, and since the only pick I really disagree on is the Cousins pick I guess that would raise my rating to A-
Some points I'd like to make on why I love this draft:

The sum of the draft (not judging each pick) is why I give it such a high grade.

RG3: Awesome job getting a trade done to grab him! He instantly makes it a decent draft getting a franchise QB, Then:

They grabbed a T and 2 guards while we've all been desperately hoping they would draft Oline heavy. One might even play C. They were targeting 3 Olinemen going into the draft, and were able to get ALL THREE of them. I really didn't like the Leribeus pick in the 3rd much to be honest, but when you look at the totality of the draft (getting all three plus the other players) the sum of the draft is AWESOME.

Grabbed a Backup QB who was seen as possible developmental starter making Beck and eventually Grossman totally expendable. Upgraded depth at the most important position on the field!!

I feel great about having Robinson learning behind Fletcher. And can see Orakpo, Riley, Robinson, Kerrigan forming a scary group of LBers in a year or two.

We got a CB for depth where you would want to get one, and a Safety prospect that is a HUGE hitter with athleticism off the charts.

And added another Shanahan RB to the stable with a 6th round pick!?!

I don't know what more we could ask for? Unless we just needed to draft some big names to feel better about the draft. I don't see how anyone can say this isn't the best draft we've had under Shanahan yet, and be pretty stoked about the combination of players they added.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCRED wrote:


I don't know what more we could ask for? Unless we just needed to draft some big names to feel better about the draft. I don't see how anyone can say this isn't the best draft we've had under Shanahan yet, and be pretty stoked about the combination of players they added.
the only thing I would have wanted was us to go DB higher, but we did get chase minnifield as an udfa and I could actually see him being our #5 cb, he has 2nd round talent, he just got injured and had knee surgery.

As for this being he best Shanhan draft ever, it's far too early to tell that. Lat years group was pretty awesome, this years class has to do a lot to surpass them.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1165102-redskins-sign-chase-minnifield-video-highlights-scouting-report-and-analysis
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="turtle28"]
DCRED wrote:




As for this being he best Shanhan draft ever, it's far too early to tell that. Lat years group was pretty awesome, this years class has to do a lot to surpass them.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1165102-redskins-sign-chase-minnifield-video-highlights-scouting-report-and-analysis


My reasoning was last year's draft did not include a Franchise QB (RG3!!!), a young (Matt Hasselbeck) Kirk Cousins to back him up, and 3 Offensive linemen.
But yes, it is too early to tell, just as it is way too early to give draft grades. We are just speculating.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtle28 wrote:
I see analysis here, that's great but what are people's ratings/grades of the draft.

1- Griffin: A+
3- LeReibus: C+
4- Cousins: F
4- Robinson: A+
5- Gettis: B
6- Morris: B
6- Compton: B
7- Crawford: B
7- Bernstein: A

Overall I give us a B. If it wasn't for the Cousins pick I'd give us an A


Just swap Cousins out with Oglesby and Minnifield. Smile
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turtle28 wrote:
DCRED wrote:




As for this being he best Shanhan draft ever, it's far too early to tell that. Lat years group was pretty awesome, this years class has to do a lot to surpass them.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1165102-redskins-sign-chase-minnifield-video-highlights-scouting-report-and-analysis


My reasoning was last year's draft did not include a Franchise QB (RG3!!!), a young (Matt Hasselbeck) Kirk Cousins to back him up, and 3 Offensive linemen.
But yes, it is too early to tell, just as it is way too early to give draft grades. We are just speculating.
I'm just saying they haven't played a game yet.

Let's go back 365 days to this time last year

99% of the forum hated the Kerrigan pick and Jenkins pick. During preseaon, they joined me in loving the picks. Bottom line we just don't know yet.
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Imagine this draft had they drafted Ta'amu over Cousins.
Hmph!
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