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Morris Claiborne is the Best CORNER Prospect since...

Patrick Peterson (2011)

54%

[ 45 ]

Joe Haden (2010)

15%

[ 13 ]

Malcolm Jenkins (2009)

[ 4 ]

Leodis McKelvin (2008)

[ 5 ]

Darrelle Revis (2007)

13%

[ 11 ]

Deoin Sanders (1989)

[ 5 ]

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MaddHatter

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject:

PowerElite wrote:

Haden played the run well in college and now in the NFL. Haden also did 18 reps at the combine. Claiborne didn't participate. I'm sure I'm not telling the knowledgeable around here anything new, but not all human beings that weigh the same or have the same dimensions have the same functional strength and power. Haden is a much more physical and powerful man than Claiborne is. Also, Joe Haden isn't a great NFL cornerback.

Insinuating I'm not knowledgeable? Cute

You inferred his speed would prevent him from being a great prospect but it didn't hold back Haden. He also ran a 4.39 at his pro day making your 4.50 just one of many results and his game speed has never been questioned.

You also inferred he had already hit his ceiling despite only having played the position for 2yrs. His athleticism isn't 4.30 but its still quite good and his technique and instincts are what led him to be the elite prospect (by every NFL scout, GM and front office personels criteria) he was considered to be.

Guess only time will tell but if he becomes a top 10 CB then I will be happy.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter wrote:

PowerElite wrote:

It's time for you to retire, you are bringing up things already discussed by me on the first few pages. It's not just his lack of great speed at the combine... BTW you are obviously the member waremd.

PowerElite wrote:

waremd wrote:

PowerElite wrote:

1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"

He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true.

He ran a 4.37 at his pro day, he is up to 195 at his pro day. He can cover anywhere on field because of how smooth he is with hips and transitions. Also, helps alot that he was a converted WR, but you keep on your homer train. Also, I said this all before Dallas drafted him FYI.

I don't give a damn what he did at his pro day. It's all about what he did on the field and at the NFL combine. If he weighs 195, cool, he still has never covered a soul at that weight so there is no telling if he carries it well because he was already stiff at 188, check his 3 cone and how he got raped against WVU...

MaddHatter

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject:

So you've now reverted back to him being stiff and abandoned all other arguments? Haha

And you can stop accusing me of being multiple members. As a former mod I can guarantee you I am not though its cute that's that is your backup plan.

Former NFL Scout Bryan Broadside says that Mo is able to open and run with his man and has great footwork. Matt Miller of NES who has been featured on ESPN and NFL.com says his hips are fluid. McShay says his hips are fluid. Kiper called his hips quick and fluid.

Guess stiff was an exaggeration...
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MaddHatter

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

That's funny.
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PowerElite

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter wrote:

Former NFL Scout Bryan Broadside says that Mo is able to open and run with his man and has great footwork. Matt Miller of NES who has been featured on ESPN and NFL.com says his hips are fluid. McShay says his hips are fluid. Kiper called his hips quick and fluid.

I already posted video of his stiff hips getting raped causing him to fall on his face and grab the receiver in another instance. What planet are you living on where you believe you can post the words of men in an attempt to disprove reality? Footballsfuture is better than that. I can post my own quotes where I disagree with most people and I am right. I believe I did that a few pages ago, no need to fill this thread up with those MANY instances.

Let's go back to the video. The first few plays expose the stiffness and lack of speed. The play at the play at 1:10 mark WILL BE A COMPLETION IN THE NFL! The Eagles run that route all of the time. Maclin and Vick will complete that play where two amateur athletes couldn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWibDk73CAs

If Claiborne is so great, why is he giving that receiver so much cushion and even playing in a bail technique so that his stiff hips are already open?

MaddHatter

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:22 pm Post subject:

Sorry PE forgot that you were a better scout than the ones employed by NFL teams. Because they all disagree with you about his hips.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter wrote:

Sorry PE forgot that you were a better scout than the ones employed by NFL teams. Because they all disagree with you about his hips.

But you didn't post anything from an NFL scout employed by a NFL team. Laughing

You posted a link to a draftnik website and media guys that believed that Kareem Jackson was worth a 1st round pick. But wait, these scouts and GMs actually selected Kareem Jackson in the 1st round. Rolling Eyes

Google how I felt about his game. Laughing

Wait I'll do it, this was right before the 2010 draft when his stock was sky high

PowerElite wrote:

Kareem Jackson is overrated. No one thought that he was such a hot prospect during the season when he was getting beat for touchdowns like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6TvfzWyNgE

Montario Hardesty, a running back, beats him for a reception 10 seconds into the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJiHPqy8xE

I view Kareem Jackson as a lessor prospect than Sean Smith who was selected 61st overall in 2009. Kareem Jackson looks like a 3rd round prospect at best.

Bohlmann20

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

PowerElite wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Hilarious, you are still on this. I already destroyed your argument 4 pages ago. Move along.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject:

Bohlmann20 wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

Not in the least. Claiborne is very stiff in his hips and it showed at times against Bumphis, Reilf could not just get him the ball.

He isn't making simple baseless claims. These are things Claiborne has shown on tape. It was the coaching. That's why LSU hired a new DB coach this season.

As a whole the secondary played well but indiviually many of them had flaws.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject:

Supersuavesky wrote:

Bohlmann20 wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

Well we have one of the best secondary coaches in the league now, I guess that will only help him a lot.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject:

canadaluvsdalla wrote:

Supersuavesky wrote:

Bohlmann20 wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

Well we have one of the best secondary coaches in the league now, I guess that will only help him a lot.

And it will quite a bit. Like Peterson, Claiborne relied a lot on his physical talents. He can succeed but it's going to take work.
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MaddHatter

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject:

Supersuavesky wrote:

Bohlmann20 wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

There you go PE - now two people in the world have called his hips stiff.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject:

Supersuavesky wrote:

Bohlmann20 wrote:

MaddHatter wrote:

Go Google "Morris Claiborne stiff" - only one person on the entire internet has ever called him that and its you. LMFAO

MaddHatter just pwned PowerElite.

That's just "twisting" information to suit your point-of-view. And a very poor job of it. Coach Cooper left, on his own, to take a NFL job with TB. It's called a step-up, career-wise, for any coach. He is as respected as almost any DB coach in college football. LSU did not want to lose him in any way. Their secondary has been the team's strength since he arrived.

Watching coaches prepare for both Peterson and Claiborne, Morris was every bit as respected as Patrick was. They have different styles, but both are very effective. I'd be excited to have either one, and IMO the Cowboys made a great move by grabbing MC when it had the chance. He's definitely not "stiff", and has great cover skills. When both were on the field at the same time, teams weren't attacking Claiborne. That much I'm sure of.

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