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| Patrick Peterson (2011) |
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| Malcolm Jenkins (2009) |
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Eric dunn
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1. Deion
2. Revis
3. Peterson
4. Haden
5. Claiborne
6. Leodis
7. Jenkins
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| be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | Claiborne is the 2nd best CB from this draft, behind Jenoris Jenkins |
lol of course you say that NOW.....weird  |
Jenkins shut down AJ Green, Julio Jones and Jeffery. Claiborne is too soft for Fisher's scheme. |
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be WARE94
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| bulger2holt wrote: | | be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | Claiborne is the 2nd best CB from this draft, behind Jenoris Jenkins |
lol of course you say that NOW.....weird |
Jenkins shut down AJ Green, Julio Jones and Jeffery. Claiborne is too soft for Fisher's scheme. |
oh yeah no no i'm sure you;d be saying that had you guys stayed at 6 and drafted him no doubt.....let me try......um i wanted david decastro so now that the steelers have him......he would never fit way JG and callahan wanted he doesn't get enough push in the run game ect ect
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bulger2holt
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| be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | Claiborne is the 2nd best CB from this draft, behind Jenoris Jenkins |
lol of course you say that NOW.....weird |
Jenkins shut down AJ Green, Julio Jones and Jeffery. Claiborne is too soft for Fisher's scheme. |
oh yeah no no i'm sure you;d be saying that had you guys stayed at 6 and drafted him no doubt.....let me try......um i wanted david decastro so now that the steelers have him......he would never fit way JG and callahan wanted he doesn't get enough push in the run game ect ect |
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be WARE94
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| bulger2holt wrote: | | be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | be WARE94 wrote: | | bulger2holt wrote: | | Claiborne is the 2nd best CB from this draft, behind Jenoris Jenkins |
lol of course you say that NOW.....weird |
Jenkins shut down AJ Green, Julio Jones and Jeffery. Claiborne is too soft for Fisher's scheme. |
oh yeah no no i'm sure you;d be saying that had you guys stayed at 6 and drafted him no doubt.....let me try......um i wanted david decastro so now that the steelers have him......he would never fit way JG and callahan wanted he doesn't get enough push in the run game ect ect |
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lol i'm just fooling wit ya
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RoeKG
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He has elite ball skills and man-to-man coverage ability, but...
| PowerElite wrote: | 1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"
He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true. |
I don't think the measurables are that important but you might expect more from a guy you take in the top 5 (or 6). Plus he's not amazing in zone and never really shut down anyone elite in college like say PP did with Julio Jones.
... I was on the Richardson side of the Great Richardson vs. Claiborne Debate of the Tampa forum.
I think he'll be a good corner and could see some wild interceptions and if used properly could be a beast (as in top 5 CB), but used properly is the key there.
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Bohlmann20
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| Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Revis not the highest cb recruit from his class? |
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PowerElite
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| RoeKG wrote: | He has elite ball skills and man-to-man coverage ability, but...
| PowerElite wrote: | 1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"
He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true. |
I don't think the measurables are that important but you might expect more from a guy you take in the top 5 (or 6). Plus he's not amazing in zone and never really shut down anyone elite in college like say PP did with Julio Jones.
... I was on the Richardson side of the Great Richardson vs. Claiborne Debate of the Tampa forum.
I think he'll be a good corner and could see some wild interceptions and if used properly could be a beast (as in top 5 CB), but used properly is the key there. |
He doesn't have elite anything (well, arm length...). Why did the WR from WVU destroy him if his coverage skills are so elite? Claiborne actually went through the SEC without much testing. But when he went up against the guy from WVU he got exposed for being slow. He's a slow guy that will have to give a huge cushion in the NFL. He's great at jamming COLLEGE RECEIVERS. He's a 188lb man, jamming in the NFL will not work well for him... |
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be WARE94
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| PowerElite wrote: | | RoeKG wrote: | He has elite ball skills and man-to-man coverage ability, but...
| PowerElite wrote: | 1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"
He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true. |
I don't think the measurables are that important but you might expect more from a guy you take in the top 5 (or 6). Plus he's not amazing in zone and never really shut down anyone elite in college like say PP did with Julio Jones.
... I was on the Richardson side of the Great Richardson vs. Claiborne Debate of the Tampa forum.
I think he'll be a good corner and could see some wild interceptions and if used properly could be a beast (as in top 5 CB), but used properly is the key there. |
He doesn't have elite anything (well, arm length...). Why did the WR from WVU destroy him if his coverage skills are so elite? Claiborne actually went through the SEC without much testing. But when he went up against the guy from WVU he got exposed for being slow. He's a slow guy that will have to give a huge cushion in the NFL. He's great at jamming COLLEGE RECEIVERS. He's a 188lb man, jamming in the NFL will not work well for him... |
i forgot no corner has ever been beat before....weird
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| Bohlmann20 wrote: | | Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Revis not the highest cb recruit from his class? |
It was a toss-up between him and Leon Hall. More a matter of preference than anything.
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RoeKG
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| PowerElite wrote: | | RoeKG wrote: | He has elite ball skills and man-to-man coverage ability, but...
| PowerElite wrote: | 1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"
He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true. |
I don't think the measurables are that important but you might expect more from a guy you take in the top 5 (or 6). Plus he's not amazing in zone and never really shut down anyone elite in college like say PP did with Julio Jones.
... I was on the Richardson side of the Great Richardson vs. Claiborne Debate of the Tampa forum.
I think he'll be a good corner and could see some wild interceptions and if used properly could be a beast (as in top 5 CB), but used properly is the key there. |
He doesn't have elite anything (well, arm length...). Why did the WR from WVU destroy him if his coverage skills are so elite? Claiborne actually went through the SEC without much testing. But when he went up against the guy from WVU he got exposed for being slow. He's a slow guy that will have to give a huge cushion in the NFL. He's great at jamming COLLEGE RECEIVERS. He's a 188lb man, jamming in the NFL will not work well for him... |
Isn't this the infamous "LSU played zone most of the time" game? I already said his zone skills were lacking. We are on the same page, for the record. I'm not as impressed by him as many are.
I also don't buy that he won't be effective because he weighs 188. It's not ideal but he isn't out there at 170. I get the whole argument that he can't jam NFL receivers, but how many corners can jam the Calvin Johnsons of the NFL?
I stand by my statement that he could be very good if used properly, but I do think his skills are very specific. Kind of like Barron with the Bucs, I think if we use him like Adrian Wilson he'll be a beast, but if we try to make him Ed Reed he'll struggle. Claiborne should be locked into a certain situation like Asomugha was in Oakland, IMO.
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PowerElite
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| RoeKG wrote: | | PowerElite wrote: | | RoeKG wrote: | He has elite ball skills and man-to-man coverage ability, but...
| PowerElite wrote: | 1.He's weak against the run
2.He only runs a 4.5
3.He weighs 188lbs
4.He is an outside only defender and can't shut down the "slot"
He's possibly the most overrated cornerback in history. People will lie and say that he's a better cornerback prospect than Quentin Jammer, and that's just not true. |
I don't think the measurables are that important but you might expect more from a guy you take in the top 5 (or 6). Plus he's not amazing in zone and never really shut down anyone elite in college like say PP did with Julio Jones.
... I was on the Richardson side of the Great Richardson vs. Claiborne Debate of the Tampa forum.
I think he'll be a good corner and could see some wild interceptions and if used properly could be a beast (as in top 5 CB), but used properly is the key there. |
He doesn't have elite anything (well, arm length...). Why did the WR from WVU destroy him if his coverage skills are so elite? Claiborne actually went through the SEC without much testing. But when he went up against the guy from WVU he got exposed for being slow. He's a slow guy that will have to give a huge cushion in the NFL. He's great at jamming COLLEGE RECEIVERS. He's a 188lb man, jamming in the NFL will not work well for him... |
Isn't this the infamous "LSU played zone most of the time" game? I already said his zone skills were lacking. We are on the same page, for the record. I'm not as impressed by him as many are.
I also don't buy that he won't be effective because he weighs 188. It's not ideal but he isn't out there at 170. I get the whole argument that he can't jam NFL receivers, but how many corners can jam the Calvin Johnsons of the NFL?
I stand by my statement that he could be very good if used properly, but I do think his skills are very specific. Kind of like Barron with the Bucs, I think if we use him like Adrian Wilson he'll be a beast, but if we try to make him Ed Reed he'll struggle. Claiborne should be locked into a certain situation like Asomugha was in Oakland, IMO. |
How would you specifically suggest he be used to get the best play out of him immediately? |
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pierrepet
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| bulger2holt wrote: | | Claiborne is the 2nd best CB from this draft, behind Jenoris Jenkins |
Hopefully CB is a position of need in the Missouri Penal League.
Why do I think that had MC been drafted by anyone other than Dallas, this forum would have very different opinions? |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | Jamison. wrote: | | Revis>Deion |
That's a joke ... right? |
No. 100% serious. BTW, I'm a 'Canes fan. That will help you understand a little bit.
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Al Harris jammed the hell out of NFL WRs and his wiki page lists him at 6'1 190lbs. That doesn't mean Claiborne will be able to, but it does show that it isn't impossible.
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