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matt2roddy
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I'm really hoping that we come out of this draft with Iloka.
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Insane82
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| So everyone here complaining are pretty much saying they ALL know more then everyone one of our scouts and front office who make the picks............. hmm so why arent you guys calling up Mr. Blank and telling him you guys are soooooooo much BETTER. just because you say say this kid shouldnt be drafted till the 7th holds allot and should of been heard since you know so well who will be good............................................................ ........................................................................................................... |
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adam9
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Insane82 wrote: | | So everyone here complaining are pretty much saying they ALL know more then everyone one of our scouts and front office who make the picks............. hmm so why arent you guys calling up Mr. Blank and telling him you guys are soooooooo much BETTER. just because you say say this kid shouldnt be drafted till the 7th holds allot and should of been heard since you know so well who will be good............................................................ ........................................................................................................... |
You like periods I guess. I do a lot of scouting and I had him as a 6th rounder. I will not call AB or TD and say anything because they have personal workouts, in-depth scouting combines, etc. to watch him. If I knew a lot more about him I would be mad, but you can't really see a whole lot of good video on him against teams like Houston, because their defense is almost as bad as a high school's. Not many of us are that mad with the pick though so there's no reason to freak out on anyone at this point.
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Robust Perry
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| FalconFan13 wrote: | | The Holmes pick to me has Corey Peters written all over it. a 5th to 6th round guy who we took that everyone griped about when it happened because their was better players available there. Then what happens is the guy plays somewhat better than people thought he would and amazingly takes over the starting spot from the 1st round bust in Peria Jerry but this time it will be Baker. |
It would be a lot better if we took these 5th or 6th round guys... in the 5th or 6th round!
Peters has worked out.. Dent just may work out... but they Have To be successful to justify the draft spot. Let's shoot for a 1st or 2nd round value with our 3rd... not just a 5th or 6th round project that has a higher chance of bust than boom.
The major knock on the Falcon's last few draft classes from everything I've read online is that we have too many OK/solid players and miss out on potential studs/game changers. This to me seems like another OK player.
That being said... I do like that Holmes is a great pass blocker. They aired it out in college and can hopefully bring some of that success to the Falcons. He has MASSIVE arms and 10" hands! As a former basketball player hopefully he's athletic for his gargantuan size. I like going OT and am going to have to trust the front office & TD to get a quality player out of this.
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GSUeagles14
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| People keep on talking abnout higher rated players available. And that is true. But players dont fall multiple rounds. Once every team passes up on a player, he didint fall, he just wasnt as highly thought of |
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swoosh
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| GSUeagles14 wrote: | | People keep on talking abnout higher rated players available. And that is true. But players dont fall multiple rounds. Once every team passes up on a player, he didint fall, he just wasnt as highly thought of |
Exactly. How many highly touted players fall on draft day and then become successful in the NFL? There aren't many. There's a reason why these players fall. Scouts know A LOT more than us and draft scouting sites.
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GSUeagles14
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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In addition, maybe Holmes would have lasted until the 5th, we'll never know. BU, just by reading about him, he seems very promising. Massive player with extremely long arms and good feet.
As far as people around here ranking players, I dont care where they had them on their board. Its a hobby. And one that you dont get near the information you need to make accurate opinions. |
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Robust Perry
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| swoosh wrote: | | GSUeagles14 wrote: | | People keep on talking abnout higher rated players available. And that is true. But players dont fall multiple rounds. Once every team passes up on a player, he didint fall, he just wasnt as highly thought of |
Exactly. How many highly touted players fall on draft day and then become successful in the NFL? There aren't many. There's a reason why these players fall. Scouts know A LOT more than us and draft scouting sites. |
One that comes immediately to mind is Carl Nicks. I was saying "Carl Nick, Carl Nicks, Carl Nicks" at the tv and we announced Kroy Biermann. True it doesn't happen a lot but a great player that falls still has a better chance to become great than a reach in my opinion. |
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swoosh
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Robust Perry wrote: | | swoosh wrote: | | GSUeagles14 wrote: | | People keep on talking abnout higher rated players available. And that is true. But players dont fall multiple rounds. Once every team passes up on a player, he didint fall, he just wasnt as highly thought of |
Exactly. How many highly touted players fall on draft day and then become successful in the NFL? There aren't many. There's a reason why these players fall. Scouts know A LOT more than us and draft scouting sites. |
One that comes immediately to mind is Carl Nicks. I was saying "Carl Nick, Carl Nicks, Carl Nicks" at the tv and we announced Kroy Biermann. True it doesn't happen a lot but a great player that falls still has a better chance to become great than a reach in my opinion. |
Carl Nicks is a great example, but I couldn't disagree more with the bolded part. For every Nicks type player you could name, I could name ten more highly touted prospects who fell on draft day and then became nothing in the NFL. I could also name ten players who the fans said "WHO?" when their name was called on draft day, but then become a successful player at the next level.
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FalconFan13
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| scar988 wrote: | | FalconFan13 wrote: | | The Holmes pick to me has Corey Peters written all over it. a 5th to 6th round guy who we took that everyone griped about when it happened because their was better players available there. Then what happens is the guy plays somewhat better than people thought he would and amazingly takes over the starting spot from the 1st round bust in Peria Jerry but this time it will be Baker. |
and what is wrong with that? |
Who said their is anything wrong with that?
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FalconAttack
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I love the pick.
We go from 1 of the smallest Olines in the NFL to 1 of the biggest.
Hopefully no more 4th and 1 blounders.
... and hopefully the kid can get it done and become great. |
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adam9
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| FalconAttack wrote: | I love the pick.
We go from 1 of the smallest Olines in the NFL to 1 of the biggest.
Hopefully no more 4th and 1 blounders.
... and hopefully the kid can get it done and become great. |
I think we were going for pass protectors instead of run blockers. Konz came from a mostly passing offense and so did Hughes.
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swoosh
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| adam9 wrote: | | FalconAttack wrote: | I love the pick.
We go from 1 of the smallest Olines in the NFL to 1 of the biggest.
Hopefully no more 4th and 1 blounders.
... and hopefully the kid can get it done and become great. |
I think we were going for pass protectors instead of run blockers. Konz came from a mostly passing offense and so did Hughes. |
What the? lol
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adam9
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| swoosh wrote: | | adam9 wrote: | | FalconAttack wrote: | I love the pick.
We go from 1 of the smallest Olines in the NFL to 1 of the biggest.
Hopefully no more 4th and 1 blounders.
... and hopefully the kid can get it done and become great. |
I think we were going for pass protectors instead of run blockers. Konz came from a mostly passing offense and so did Hughes. |
What the? lol |
The pass to run ratio might be skewed due to all the scrambles Wilson had. The only time they were "run heavy" was in goal line sets. Konz wasn't as good as an example as Hughes though. USM relied heavily on Austin Davis.
Just looked on some Wisconsin stats. They called passing plays between 40 and 45% of the time, so I guess you were right. Every time I watched them the seemed pass heavy. (Only game I watched was the game against MSU in the regular season).
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swoosh
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| adam9 wrote: | | swoosh wrote: | | adam9 wrote: | | FalconAttack wrote: | I love the pick.
We go from 1 of the smallest Olines in the NFL to 1 of the biggest.
Hopefully no more 4th and 1 blounders.
... and hopefully the kid can get it done and become great. |
I think we were going for pass protectors instead of run blockers. Konz came from a mostly passing offense and so did Hughes. |
What the? lol |
The pass to run ratio might be skewed due to all the scrambles Wilson had. The only time they were "run heavy" was in goal line sets. Konz wasn't as good as an example as Hughes though. USM relied heavily on Austin Davis.
Just looked on some Wisconsin stats. They called passing plays between 40 and 45% of the time, so I guess you were right. Every time I watched them the seemed pass heavy. (Only game I watched was the game against MSU in the regular season). |
328 pass attempts vs. 609 carries (524 when you take out rushing attempts from QB's). That's still a 62-38 run-pass ratio. They're about as run-heavy as you're gonna find in college football.
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