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LivingLegendWFC
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| dante9876 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | And that is exactly my point. In fact both Pryor and Barksdale were drafted in the 3rd round. So my question is how can you base your ideas on what they will do in the NFL based on what he did in college (Pryor) and disregard what the other one did in college (Barksdale)?
I see there has been no answer so I guess my "agenda" doesn't merit a response.  |
dmac just said it for you. Being bad or not very good in college usually translate to either not having an NFL career at all or a pretty bad one. Being good in college can translate to being good in the nfl, being bad in the nfl, or not getting in the NFL. So I agree that being bad or average in college is much more of a measuring stick to being bad or average in the NFL. Than being good in college translating to being good. I for one think Barksdale can play and as of right now Pryor isnt good and isnt the great kid that some people want to believe. |
Based off of what? All the guy has done since being drafted was come in and work his butt off. There have been numerous reports of him showing up early, staying late, and he even tried to enlist the help of Rich Gannon.
What evidence do you have to support that he isnt a good kid? OSU fans that could clearly have an agenda. Reports that are just as reliable as the ones that say hes a good kid. It seems like your faulting people for basing our assumptions off of things that we read when your likely doing the very same thing. What has he done since entering the NFL that leads you to believe he has been anything but a model citizen?
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TheAutumnWind
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| LivingLegendWFC wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | And that is exactly my point. In fact both Pryor and Barksdale were drafted in the 3rd round. So my question is how can you base your ideas on what they will do in the NFL based on what he did in college (Pryor) and disregard what the other one did in college (Barksdale)?
I see there has been no answer so I guess my "agenda" doesn't merit a response. |
dmac just said it for you. Being bad or not very good in college usually translate to either not having an NFL career at all or a pretty bad one. Being good in college can translate to being good in the nfl, being bad in the nfl, or not getting in the NFL. So I agree that being bad or average in college is much more of a measuring stick to being bad or average in the NFL. Than being good in college translating to being good. I for one think Barksdale can play and as of right now Pryor isnt good and isnt the great kid that some people want to believe. |
Based off of what? All the guy has done since being drafted was come in and work his butt off. There have been numerous reports of him showing up early, staying late, and he even tried to enlist the help of Rich Gannon.
What evidence do you have to support that he isnt a good kid? OSU fans that could clearly have an agenda. Reports that are just as reliable as the ones that say hes a good kid. It seems like your faulting people for basing our assumptions off of things that we read when your likely doing the very same thing. What has he done since entering the NFL that leads you to believe he has been anything but a model citizen? |
I don't think that he meant he wasn't a 'great' kid... as in a good person... but rather a 'great' player... could be wrong but that's how I read it. I think the kid has come a long way from his OSU days after his suspension and getting a dose of reality and "falling back down to earth" with us mere mortals.
The only thing that kind of irked me and was kind of a red flag for me was in that recent article where he said he only did the things he did to provide money for his mom and family who were left with no gas or heat. Buuuut.. at the same time your driving a 350z??? yes i know it was supposably used with 100,000 miles on it... supposably... I'm not hating... the whole thing is just sketch. Bugs me cuz if that were my family... you better believe that within a window of FOUR months I'm selling my 350z and buying a 1990 Corolla or something to get them some heat and provide for them. Just seems kind of a stretch to say that his family situation got that bad and so thats why he did what he did when your driving a 350z. It reads like an excuse to me and it's sad cuz after taking accountability for his actions he now is seemingly trying to justify them with what seems kind of a stretch of a story. Don't know for sure and I probably never will... but if you can do the math... it just doesn't add up... which is sad.  |
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Jtagg is not terrible, he just like a lot of us were sick and tired of the swing for the fences mentality that was running this franchise for the past 10 years. I think Al knew his health was deteriorating rapidly and he was doing everything he could think of in his declining health to try and put a winner out there. I really don't think a lot of people wouldn't do the same. Jtagg makes cool sigs alo. |
Cheers, sir! Always here to help haha but you already know that.
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| TheAutumnWind wrote: | LOL. I just posted this in the other thread. I tried to word it delicately cuz I didn't want to get 'jtagged' by the forum  Watched a lot of OSU games and in the end I just didn't see the touch and accuracy that is expected of a starting NFL quarterback... but if the kid works hard... crazier things have happened... however small his chance might be 
(speaking of picking Weeden over Pryor in another thread)= "Most analysts & scouts agreed both before and after the draft that if it weren't for his 'old' age he would've gone in the first round.
I'm not trying to sell anyone short of what they're capable of doing or becoming... especially after seeing DHB come on last year... but IMVHO... and solely based on his college game... since none of us have seen him play since we drafted him... the kid has a LOT of work to do.
I saw plenty of OSU games and I don't think I've seen an uglier deep ball from such a highly regarded prospect... especially outside the numbers. (I'm not saying he never made these throws) His spiral was never really tight and more often than not would come out wobbly... it got worse on shorter throws and many times there was just too much air under the ball= the area of his game that I'm most eager to see in preseason to see if he's really put the time in and tightened that spiral and worked on his touch.
I'm not saying he can't be a starting qb in the nfl... helk after seeing how DHB's work ethic paid off this last year... and guys like gannon and brees but it together later in their careers... and even Flynn lighting it up in his limited opportunities after sitting behind Rogers for some time... if Pryor can do the same.. and keep that drive in him to be something more- which I think is the hardest thing to do as an athlete- and make the most of his time under Palmer.. I think the kid has got a shot. I love the desire and hunger the kid is showing and really hope that he pans out cuz with his physical gifts... the kid has crazy potential  ...
...but until the kid can consistently throw a tight spiral and better his touch - not to mention his accuracy...
... If I had to choose a QB to win me a playoff game tomorrow, I'm choosing Weeden 10 times out of 10." |
Getting "JTagg"ed isn't all that bad hahaha you go against any player on this roster and it's bound to happen. If you're TheAutumnWind I used to post w/, you know how it is haha.
And THANK YOU for your assessment. People who actually watched Pryor know this and have seen this. I could not have typed it better myself. Noice.
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Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch.
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JTagg7754
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
 Sounds good to me!
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Silver&Black88
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
Sounds good to me! |
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
Hahaha. Awesome, man.
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dante9876
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| bitty wrote: | | People are trying to put a square peg in around hole. Pryor will never be a drop back passer that’s just not his skill set. He’ll play more like a young Big Ben. He’ll stretch the pocket and keep the play alive until the coverage breaks down or he’ll run for a first down. Most of his passes will be underneath to the RB and TE with a few long passes when the WRs get wide open. |
Thats all good, But Big Ben can make all the throws and has some accuracy. |
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dante9876
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| LivingLegendWFC wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | And that is exactly my point. In fact both Pryor and Barksdale were drafted in the 3rd round. So my question is how can you base your ideas on what they will do in the NFL based on what he did in college (Pryor) and disregard what the other one did in college (Barksdale)?
I see there has been no answer so I guess my "agenda" doesn't merit a response. |
dmac just said it for you. Being bad or not very good in college usually translate to either not having an NFL career at all or a pretty bad one. Being good in college can translate to being good in the nfl, being bad in the nfl, or not getting in the NFL. So I agree that being bad or average in college is much more of a measuring stick to being bad or average in the NFL. Than being good in college translating to being good. I for one think Barksdale can play and as of right now Pryor isnt good and isnt the great kid that some people want to believe. |
Based off of what? All the guy has done since being drafted was come in and work his butt off. There have been numerous reports of him showing up early, staying late, and he even tried to enlist the help of Rich Gannon.
What evidence do you have to support that he isnt a good kid? OSU fans that could clearly have an agenda. Reports that are just as reliable as the ones that say hes a good kid. It seems like your faulting people for basing our assumptions off of things that we read when your likely doing the very same thing. What has he done since entering the NFL that leads you to believe he has been anything but a model citizen? |
So my question is this? Do a couple of months erase 5 or 6 years of his ego act. DHB is a humble kid and hardworker since his college days. Now he got a DUI does that erase all the good things he did before that. Im not saying the dude doesnt work hard now. He could have mature. But Im not going to call him a great kid after a couple of months at a new job. Let me see him in a year or two. Let me see him when the pressure is on and the chips are down. Thats all Im saying. I have followed Pryor since he was a junior in high school. A couple of months on my favorite team is going to suddenly just change my opinion of him. |
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LivingLegendWFC
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| dante9876 wrote: | | LivingLegendWFC wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | And that is exactly my point. In fact both Pryor and Barksdale were drafted in the 3rd round. So my question is how can you base your ideas on what they will do in the NFL based on what he did in college (Pryor) and disregard what the other one did in college (Barksdale)?
I see there has been no answer so I guess my "agenda" doesn't merit a response. |
dmac just said it for you. Being bad or not very good in college usually translate to either not having an NFL career at all or a pretty bad one. Being good in college can translate to being good in the nfl, being bad in the nfl, or not getting in the NFL. So I agree that being bad or average in college is much more of a measuring stick to being bad or average in the NFL. Than being good in college translating to being good. I for one think Barksdale can play and as of right now Pryor isnt good and isnt the great kid that some people want to believe. |
Based off of what? All the guy has done since being drafted was come in and work his butt off. There have been numerous reports of him showing up early, staying late, and he even tried to enlist the help of Rich Gannon.
What evidence do you have to support that he isnt a good kid? OSU fans that could clearly have an agenda. Reports that are just as reliable as the ones that say hes a good kid. It seems like your faulting people for basing our assumptions off of things that we read when your likely doing the very same thing. What has he done since entering the NFL that leads you to believe he has been anything but a model citizen? |
So my question is this? Do a couple of months erase 5 or 6 years of his ego act. DHB is a humble kid and hardworker since his college days. Now he got a DUI does that erase all the good things he did before that. Im not saying the dude doesnt work hard now. He could have mature. But Im not going to call him a great kid after a couple of months at a new job. Let me see him in a year or two. Let me see him when the pressure is on and the chips are down. Thats all Im saying. I have followed Pryor since he was a junior in high school. A couple of months on my favorite team is going to suddenly just change my opinion of him. |
Im not saying a couple of months should change your opinion on him prior to that. However when the worst thing you can say about a 21 year old kid is that he has an ego, I think your doing alright. A lot of young kids have big heads when they are the number one recruit out of high school or make it to a big time college. That doesnt mean that they arent good kids, just that like a lot of people his age he has a big head.
What better way to change that then having him sit on the pine for a while. In any event I fail to see how him having a ton of confidence in himself is a bad thing. He isnt known for not showing up to practice because he thinks hes the greatest thing in the world or anything of that nature. We havent heard anything about him having a big head since he got here, and a guy with a big head wouldnt enlist the help of a guy like Rich Gannon.
Im just saying that kids mature, they learn from their mistakes, people grow up. I bet a lot of us have/had somewhat of a big head at his age. Its part of being a young kid. That doesnt mean that we should just assume after a couple of months that hes all changed, but we should accept the possibility of him growing up and maturing and say that he isnt a good kid because of it.
There are a lot of bad kids out there these days, and im not going to throw Pryor in that group because you feel hes full of himself. It could just be the fact that hes got a lot of confidence and knows what hes capable of. Maybe thats just rubbing you the wrong way. Ive watched a ton of Terrelle Pryor myself, seen a lot of interviews, things like that and he never really struck me as a guy that was full of himself, he always struck me as a guy that had a lot of confidence in himself, and to me personally thats not a bad thing.
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TheAutumnWind
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | TheAutumnWind wrote: | LOL. I just posted this in the other thread. I tried to word it delicately cuz I didn't want to get 'jtagged' by the forum Watched a lot of OSU games and in the end I just didn't see the touch and accuracy that is expected of a starting NFL quarterback... but if the kid works hard... crazier things have happened... however small his chance might be
(speaking of picking Weeden over Pryor in another thread)= "Most analysts & scouts agreed both before and after the draft that if it weren't for his 'old' age he would've gone in the first round.
I'm not trying to sell anyone short of what they're capable of doing or becoming... especially after seeing DHB come on last year... but IMVHO... and solely based on his college game... since none of us have seen him play since we drafted him... the kid has a LOT of work to do.
I saw plenty of OSU games and I don't think I've seen an uglier deep ball from such a highly regarded prospect... especially outside the numbers. (I'm not saying he never made these throws) His spiral was never really tight and more often than not would come out wobbly... it got worse on shorter throws and many times there was just too much air under the ball= the area of his game that I'm most eager to see in preseason to see if he's really put the time in and tightened that spiral and worked on his touch.
I'm not saying he can't be a starting qb in the nfl... helk after seeing how DHB's work ethic paid off this last year... and guys like gannon and brees but it together later in their careers... and even Flynn lighting it up in his limited opportunities after sitting behind Rogers for some time... if Pryor can do the same.. and keep that drive in him to be something more- which I think is the hardest thing to do as an athlete- and make the most of his time under Palmer.. I think the kid has got a shot. I love the desire and hunger the kid is showing and really hope that he pans out cuz with his physical gifts... the kid has crazy potential ...
...but until the kid can consistently throw a tight spiral and better his touch - not to mention his accuracy...
... If I had to choose a QB to win me a playoff game tomorrow, I'm choosing Weeden 10 times out of 10." |
Getting "JTagg"ed isn't all that bad hahaha you go against any player on this roster and it's bound to happen. If you're TheAutumnWind I used to post w/, you know how it is haha.
And THANK YOU for your assessment. People who actually watched Pryor know this and have seen this. I could not have typed it better myself. Noice. |
Lol... no.. I'm not the same Autumn Wind...but I try to be unbiased and fair. Long time reader... about two seasons... recent poster  ... I remember exactly where I was when I heard we picked up Pryor in the Supplemental last summer... prob would've punched something but I was at the beach in Laguna... so I kicked sand  It was before we picked up Palmer... and it seemed like Al had picked Pryor to be our QB of the Future... and to anyone who at any point really saw Pryor play... given the state of our franchise having just survived the Russell debacle... there was no way in hell I wanted to put 'all of our eggs' in the 'TP' basket. But then Hue went crazy and pulled the trigger on Palmer and the future... atleast for the near future... got a little bit brighter. Although the draft picks hurt a little bit. I really hated also that Dalton blew it up last year too... stupid CBA!!!!... I remember thinking- before the CBA drama and no free agency... that he was the perfect mid round developmental prospect... I actually remember Bonez saying the same thing on this forum(I hadn't created an account yet ) ... really stings seeing the success the kid has had considering we could have grabbed a younger franchise qb without giving up so much  ... but back to the drafting of Pryor... considering Al probably only wanted to keep Campbell thru only last season-cuz thats when his contract was up- while he 'groomed' Pryor... we should all be pretty thankful that Hue did go nuts and bring in Palmer cuz now we have a LEGIT QB for the first time since Gannon... in a Division where you have to play against not one now... But TWO of the top Qb's in the league!!!
Without the Palmer trade... there's no way were contending. Rivers last year... Idk what it was... I honestly could not believe how horrible the guy played... and I was loving every pick cuz for us that bode really well... I remember at one point thinking the guy must have been on drugs cuz he looked like a shell of his former self... it was CRAZY!!! You could blame his line... but i remember games where he had plenty of time and the ball was either short and on the ground or way over.. never saw a QB get soo bad so fast... and then whatever it was.. he figured it out and torched us the last game of the season to keep us out of the playoffs...smh!!! But all this said to say this... As a BONUS to all of this... Pryor gets the opportunity to really sit on the bench, learn, and be groomed by a Hiesman winning QB. Hoping he can make it happen, since thats all theres left to do... but not banking on it, especially with the new regime in town. |
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TheAutumnWind
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
Sounds good to me! |
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
Sounds good to me! |
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what movie is that from? Looks familiar.... 
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| RaisinBran wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Jtagg'd (verb) (jay-tag-d) - for a thread in the Oakland Raiders forum of footballsfuture.com to get derailed and/or stuck onto one specific topic involving a disagreement between jtagg and the collective forum. They can be resolved but rarely are. A frequent topic that a thread is jtagg'd with it Tyvon Branch. |
Sounds good to me! |
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what movie is that from? Looks familiar.... |
Hell if I know.
And too late Autumn, I saw it.
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