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vike daddy
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 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: Lions and Packers and Bears! Oh my? |
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how do we feel the other NFC North teams did in the 2012 Draft:
Detroit Lions:
Round 1, Pick 23 (23) OT Riley Reiff
Round 2, Pick 22 (54) WR Ryan Broyles
Round 3, Pick 22 (85) CB Dwight Bentley
Round 4, Pick 30 (125) (From 49ers) OLB Ronnell Lewis
Round 5, Pick 3 (138) (From Vikings) OLB Tahir Whitehead
Round 5, Pick 13 (148) (From Raiders) CB Chris Greenwood
Round 6, Pick 26 (196) (From Saints through Dolphins and 49ers) DB Jonte Green
Round 7, Pick 16 (223) (From Eagles through Patriots and Vikings) OLB Travis Lewis
Green Bay Packers:
Round 1, Pick 28 (28 ) DE Nick Perry
Round 2, Pick 19 (51) (From Cardinals through Eagles) DT Jerel Worthy
Round 2, Pick 30 (62) (From Patriots) CB Casey Hayward
Round 4, Pick 37 (132) (Compensatory selection) DT Mike Daniels
Round 4, Pick 38 (133) (Compensatory selection) SS Jerron McMillian
Round 5, Pick 28 (163) (From Packers through Patriots) OLB Terrell Manning
Round 7, Pick 34 (241) (Compensatory selection) OT Andrew Datko
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory selection) QB B.J. Coleman
Chicago Bears:
Round 1, Pick 19 (19) DE Shea McClellin
Round 2, Pick 13 (45) (From Cowboys through Rams) WR Alshon Jeffery
Round 3, Pick 16 (79) FS Brandon Hardin
Round 4, Pick 16 (111) TE Evan Rodriguez
Round 6, Pick 14 (184) CB Isaiah Frey
Round 7, Pick 13 (220) CB Greg McCoy
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vikingsrule
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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The Lions draft was awesome. Riley Reiff is great value at 23 and should be a fine blind side protector for Stafford. Ryan Broyles was a great pick in round 2, he along with Titus Young and Calvin Johnson make for a great young trio of WRs. Dwight Bentley is a CB that I really liked, he is a high potential type, as is Chris Greenwood. OLBs Ronnell Lewis and Travis Lewis were both exceptional value picks. R.Lewis is probably more of a pass rusher type, and could even play DE in nickel situations. T. Lewis should be more of your traditional OLB. Really not any bad picks for Detroit.
As for the Packers, I like there draft a lot as well. The Packers play so much nickel defense, Worthy will be an excellent nickel pass rushing DT alongside BJ Raji. Casey Hayward is a player that I liked a lot, and im disappointed to see him go to the Packers. Great pick though. The rest of the draft for the Packers was very bland for me. Terrell Manning or Mike Daniels dont really fit in my opinion. Maybe Manning will be a nickel coverage LB. I dont know.
the Bears draft was horrible. I didnt like McClellin that early, his concussion issues should have knocked him to round 2. Alshon Jeffery looks like a good pick on paper, but I think his career will go more the way of Dwayne Jarret/Mike Williams. The Bears needed a TE, but I dont like Rodriguez there. A 6-1 TE isnt going to scare anyone. In my opinion, the Bears had one of the worst drafts. |
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Kellerman
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly feel that we had the best draft with the picks we had. The Packers one is a close second, though the did have 2 2nd rounders to play with.
The Lions had a pretty solid draft, but I don't quite get the Broyles pick. As for the Bears, McClellin could be solid, could be a reach. Jeffery has the talent, but also has bust-potential.
Vikings A
Packers A-
Lions B+
Bears C+
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Detroit Lions:
Round 1, Pick 23 (23) OT Riley Reiff - great pick
Round 2, Pick 22 (54) WR Ryan Broyles - reach, better WR's available
Round 3, Pick 22 (85) CB Dwight Bentley - meh
Round 4, Pick 30 (125) (From 49ers) OLB Ronnell Lewis - great pick
Round 5, Pick 3 (138) (From Vikings) OLB Tahir Whitehead - who?
Round 5, Pick 13 (148) (From Raiders) CB Chris Greenwood - who?
Round 6, Pick 26 (196) (From Saints through Dolphins and 49ers) DB Jonte Green - good pick
Round 7, Pick 16 (223) (From Eagles through Patriots and Vikings) OLB Travis Lewis - great pick
OVERALL = B-
Green Bay Packers:
Round 1, Pick 28 (28 ) DE Nick Perry - great pick
Round 2, Pick 19 (51) (From Cardinals through Eagles) DT Jerel Worthy - terrible pick
Round 2, Pick 30 (62) (From Patriots) CB Casey Hayward - great pick
Round 4, Pick 37 (132) (Compensatory selection) DT Mike Daniels - meh
Round 4, Pick 38 (133) (Compensatory selection) SS Jerron McMillian - great pick
Round 5, Pick 28 (163) (From Packers through Patriots) OLB Terrell Manning - great pick
Round 7, Pick 34 (241) (Compensatory selection) OT Andrew Datko - great pick
Round 7, Pick 36 (243) (Compensatory selection) QB B.J. Coleman - meh
OVERALL = B+
Chicago Bears:
Round 1, Pick 19 (19) DE Shea McClellin - reach
Round 2, Pick 13 (45) (From Cowboys through Rams) WR Alshon Jeffery - great pick
Round 3, Pick 16 (79) FS Brandon Hardin - meh
Round 4, Pick 16 (111) TE Evan Rodriguez - terrible pick
Round 6, Pick 14 (184) CB Isaiah Frey - meh
Round 7, Pick 13 (220) CB Greg McCoy - who?
OVERALL = C- |
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vikingsrule
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Im curious why you think Worthy is a terrible pick for the Packers UMN?
They run so much 2-4 defense in the nickel, Raji and Worthy should make a great duo inside both are excellent pass rushers. |
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Freakout
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I love Green Bay's top 3 picks and really like getting Datko in the 7th.
Really dislike Chicago's. Alshon Jeffery is the only pick I care for. Really thought they would have drafted some OLine help.
Detroit's I am mixed on. Getting Reiff that late is nice. Broyles looks to be a bit of a reach but when healthy he is a stud. Bentley is a solid pick. I love Ronnell Lewis and getting him in the 4th is great value .......if you run a 34 scheme. I just don't see him fitting in similar to how Everson struggles to see the field for us. |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | Im curious why you think Worthy is a terrible pick for the Packers UMN?
They run so much 2-4 defense in the nickel, Raji and Worthy should make a great duo inside both are excellent pass rushers. |
I just don't think Worthy is a good player. I wouldn't draft him before the 5th round. Mediocre athlete. |
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I'm always a fan of trading up.
The most starters come within the first three rounds (obviously).
So the best strategy would be trading up into these rounds whenever possible, or trading up higher in rounds one or two.
Draft Rating:
1)GB
2a)MIN 2b)DET
4)CHI
GB had the best draft based on players selected and based on where the picks were originally slotted (worst of the 4 team). Minny brought in good players however based on them having the best draft slotting position of the 4 North teams, Vikings should have had a distinct advantage in the players drafted (and I dont think its clear).
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vikingsrule
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| [UMN] wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Im curious why you think Worthy is a terrible pick for the Packers UMN?
They run so much 2-4 defense in the nickel, Raji and Worthy should make a great duo inside both are excellent pass rushers. |
I just don't think Worthy is a good player. I wouldn't draft him before the 5th round. Mediocre athlete. |
Gotcha, that makes sense then. I thought maybe it was a schematic reason, otherwise, if you dont like a player period (same way I am with Jeffery) it doesnt matter what scheme they are in  |
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milanb
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| vikingsrule wrote: | Im curious why you think Worthy is a terrible pick for the Packers UMN?
They run so much 2-4 defense in the nickel, Raji and Worthy should make a great duo inside both are excellent pass rushers. |
Worthy is strictly a one-gap DT, and is going to be converted to a 5-technique DE where he is probably out of his element.
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| milanb wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | Im curious why you think Worthy is a terrible pick for the Packers UMN?
They run so much 2-4 defense in the nickel, Raji and Worthy should make a great duo inside both are excellent pass rushers. |
Worthy is strictly a one-gap DT, and is going to be converted to a 5-technique DE where he is probably out of his element. |
I thought the Packers ran more of a 1-gap 3-4 anyway.
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| I find it interesting that all 3 teams went heavily towards defense compared to the Vikings. IMHO that may make it even tougher for us to compete as they will have stronger defenses to go along with their already superior offenses. |
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vikingsrule
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| Purple Floyd wrote: | | I find it interesting that all 3 teams went heavily towards defense compared to the Vikings. IMHO that may make it even tougher for us to compete as they will have stronger defenses to go along with their already superior offenses. |
The reason for this is that the Packers and Lions have gone offensive heavy for years, and are now putting more emphasis on the defense. All teams in the North are obviously ahead of the Vikings at this point, the only way MN can be remotely competitive is if they get better QB play. Stafford and Rodgers are elite QBs and they have elite supporting casts. MN might be competitive with the Bears, I dont trust Cutler and there aging defense as i do the Lions and Packers, who seem to be the class of the NFC North as long as their elite QBs stay healthy. |
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Purple Floyd
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: |
The reason for this is that the Packers and Lions have gone offensive heavy for years, and are now putting more emphasis on the defense. All teams in the North are obviously ahead of the Vikings at this point, the only way MN can be remotely competitive is if they get better QB play. Stafford and Rodgers are elite QBs and they have elite supporting casts. MN might be competitive with the Bears, I dont trust Cutler and there aging defense as i do the Lions and Packers, who seem to be the class of the NFC North as long as their elite QBs stay healthy. |
I agree with what you said. I guess that is why philosophically I would have liked to see the Vikings build the hell out of the defense and try to gain an advantage there in the division. trying to build the offense first when we are already 3-5 years behind and waiting for the future to build the defense up will just keep us playing catch up.
I do understand that we did draft defensive players too but in all honesty the odds of more than one becoming a top level starter is pretty slim considering the track record of them developing talent after the 1st round. |
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only the Lions had a draft that worries me.
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