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goldfishwars
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| CWood21 wrote: | | Is there really such things as steals? I mean, we go by whatever pair of rankings we use whether it be the talking heads, our favorite draft website, or own rankings and it doesn't change the fact they're opinions of talent. Teams who invest time and money seem to be a bit more in tune with the value of players than armchair GMs. |
Yes, we know all that - hence the inverted commas around the word in the OP. It's just fun the project these things.
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jrry32
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Some guys that I'd call steals:
-Janoris Jenkins
-Alshon Jeffery
-Taylor Thompson
-Lavonte David
-David DeCastro
Some guys that are being called steals that I don't think were steals:
-Alameda Ta'amu
-Marvin McNutt
-Mike Adams
-Juron Criner
-Bobby Massie
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Brandon Washington (6)
Markelle Martin (6)
Josh Chapman (5)
Bobby Massie (4)
Lamar Miller (4) Steal of the whole draft in my opinion
David Decastro (Bottom of the first)
Nick Perry (Bottom of the first round)
Jerel Worthy (Bottom of the second)
Vinny Curry (Bottom of the second)
Chris Givens (4)
Alameda Ta'amu (4)
Brandon Boykin (4)
Juron Criner (5)
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TitanSlim
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Before the draft I said BJ Cunningham would be a steal so I'll say him. Also I think Akiem Hicks will be a steal. I think he'll have a better career than Michael Brockers. The homer in me wants to say Taylor Thompson. He has potential to be a great TE but, we'll have to wait and see if he ever reaches that potential. |
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DKTurtle51
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#53. Devon Still, DT- Bengals
#59. Vinny Curry, DE- Eagles
#63. Ruben Randle, WR- Giants
#109. Alameda Ta'amu, DT- Steelers
#166. Marvin Jones, WR- Bengals
#237. Cam Johnson, DE- 49ers
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nakka
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| When these guys do something in the NFL I will then consider them a steal. |
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kylecumberland
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I really liked the chiefs third day picks
4. Devon Wylie
5. De'quan Menzie
6 Cyrus Gray
7. Junior Hemingway
I see all of these guys as potential steals/sleepers |
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goldfishwars
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| kylecumberland wrote: | I really liked the chiefs third day picks
4. Devon Wylie
5. De'quan Menzie
6 Cyrus Gray
7. Junior Hemingway
I see all of these guys as potential steals/sleepers |
Me too, Kansas had a really strong 3rd day.
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DawgX
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There are quite a few players who could end up being steals but I think Marvin McNutt could end up being a huge steal. I was pissed that the Browns didn't draft him.
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TheVillain112
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| kylecumberland wrote: | I really liked the chiefs third day picks
4. Devon Wylie
5. De'quan Menzie
6 Cyrus Gray
7. Junior Hemingway
I see all of these guys as potential steals/sleepers |
Forgot about Hemingway, but I agree that he could be a steal as well. Tough to gauge him because he had a non-conventional QB in Robinson. He always seems to come up with some big catches though...
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| theJ wrote: | | The only huge sliders i saw were guys with major injury questions. And those don't really count (Massie, Polk, Lamar Miller). |
what was Massie's injury concern? I was wondering about this one.
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| kethnaab wrote: | | theJ wrote: | | The only huge sliders i saw were guys with major injury questions. And those don't really count (Massie, Polk, Lamar Miller). |
what was Massie's injury concern? I was wondering about this one. |
There isn't any, at least none that I can find.
I don't consider Massie a steal at all. I think we got good value there and I'm excited to see what he can bring to our offensive line but a player who was only a right tackle in college that projects as only a right tackle in the NFL really isn't a steal in round 4. It's just a solid pick that you say, "Not bad" to and then move on.
Biggest steal to me is easily David DeCastro. Based on nothing but pure on field play, he was a top 10 player in this draft and they got him at what, 23? That's ridiculous. I compared him pre-draft to Alan Faneca. Alan Faneca at 23 is absurd.
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| TheVillain112 wrote: | | kylecumberland wrote: | I really liked the chiefs third day picks
4. Devon Wylie
5. De'quan Menzie
6 Cyrus Gray
7. Junior Hemingway
I see all of these guys as potential steals/sleepers |
Forgot about Hemingway, but I agree that he could be a steal as well. Tough to gauge him because he had a non-conventional QB in Robinson. He always seems to come up with some big catches though... |
From what I've seen he reminds me of a poor man's Dwayne Bowe.
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | theJ wrote: | | The only huge sliders i saw were guys with major injury questions. And those don't really count (Massie, Polk, Lamar Miller). |
what was Massie's injury concern? I was wondering about this one. |
There isn't any, at least none that I can find.
I don't consider Massie a steal at all. I think we got good value there and I'm excited to see what he can bring to our offensive line but a player who was only a right tackle in college that projects as only a right tackle in the NFL really isn't a steal in round 4. It's just a solid pick that you say, "Not bad" to and then move on.
Biggest steal to me is easily David DeCastro. Based on nothing but pure on field play, he was a top 10 player in this draft and they got him at what, 23? That's ridiculous. I compared him pre-draft to Alan Faneca. Alan Faneca at 23 is absurd. |
24 actually  Sorry don't mean to be annoying, just supposed to be an FYI...
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Ward4HOF
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Yes, you can't evaluate truly until after they get on the field, but this is based on where "most" draft evaluators had these guys projected.
BOLDED are my biggest 5 steals
(*=Guys I'm not overly enamored with, but definitely went later than projected.)
Ta'amu (3rd)
Chapman (4th) -- jealous
Hemingway (5th/6th) -- EXTREMELY jealous
*Glenn (1st)
*Randle (early 2nd)
Thompson (2nd)
Boykin (2nd/3rd) -- jealous
J. Norman (3rd/4th)
M. Jones (3rd/4th)
Criner (3rd/4th)
*Iloka (3rd/4th)
A. Jackson (3rd/4th) -- jealous
McNutt (4th/5th) -- jealous
Streeter (4th/5th)
*Kelemete (3rd)
B. Washington (3rd/4th) -- jealous
T. Robinson (4th/5th) -- jealous
N. Potter (5th)
Molk (4th/5th)
Audie Cole (4th/5th)
*B. Winn (3rd/4th)
K. Randall (4th) -- jealous
Cam Johnson (3rd)
A. Allen (3rd/4th)
E. Baker (5th)
Some "steals" I really don't think of as steals
J. Jenkins - he was not projected to go in the 1st in the last couple of months. Just because he has top 15 talent, everyone knew he'd drop to the 2nd. 4 kids with 3 wives and drug issues at age, what, 22/23? Hope he's motivated.
Adams - love him as a LT prospect, but he was slated in the 2nd after ALL his character issues came to light. Hope he pans out, but he's not a steal.
Dennard - who knew where he'd be projected when his latest stunt surfaced within a week of the draft. Decent talent, but, as they say, "10 cent head" to do that the week before the draft.
L. Miller - believe he has a medical concern (shoulder) and his football IQ was questioned a bit, and really think he was a bit overhyped, myself. He's got AWESOME athleticism and I defintely wouldn't mind him on the Steelers, but he probably went where he should have.
Now, my definition of "steal" may be different than you all's, but I think of "steal" as different than "boom". Each one of these I don't consider as steals, could absolutely be "boom" players, where the "steals" may never amount to a load of dung on the field. Same could be said for the "reaches" like Irvin, A. J. Jenkins, and Quick. They definitely were not projected to go where they did, but that doesn't mean they won't be "booms", so there is my "disclaimer" as it were!! 
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