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TheKillerNacho
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| TommyC376 wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | buffalobob wrote: | | TheKillerNacho wrote: | | Vince Young squandered his opportunity in Philadelphia, but lets not forget he looked pretty good as a Titan at times. If he signs, he is easily their most talented Quarterback. Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty bad last year, I see no reason why Vince Young couldn't compete for the starting job and possibly win it if he is motivated enough. Vince Young has all the physical tools, just not the mental maturity. |
Someone knows nothing about Fitzpatrick. During the first half of last year, he completed 65.4%, had 15 TDs and 9 ints., then during the second half of the year he dropped to 59.2%, 9 TDs and 14 ints.
Apparently, he must have just been lucky during the first 8 games. Unless his second half decline was affected by his starting LT being injured, his starting Center going to IR, the #1 RB in the NFL at the time (Fred Jackson) going to IR and Fitzpatrick playing with injured ribs. No, since Fitzpatrick is just bad, he must have had a lucky streak to start last year. |
Correlation does not equal causation. For all you know, Fitzpatrick could've fallen apart last season either way. Until he's able to put a complete season together, I'm still going to have my doubts about Fitzpatrick. Also, I never said Fitzpatrick was bad, just that he was pretty bad last year. Which isn't really opinion, its fact which anyone would conclude simply looking at the stat-line.
What is the harm of signing Vince Young and allowing him to compete with Ryan Fitzpatrick? I think its pretty un-debatable that Young has the higher ceiling. And if Fitzpatrick is as good as you seem to think, he should have no problem beating out Vince Young and holding the job from him. |
Thats the thing. He wont come in to compete with Fitzy. He would compete with Tyler Thigpen for the #2 QB spot. |
So... what exactly has Ryan Fitzpatrick done ever that makes him the undisputed starter (aside from no talent at QB aside from himself on the Bills)? His 7-game streak of "pretty good" games last year...?
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TommyC376
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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^^ well he signed a big contract last season and we gave him a 5 million dollar roster bonus a few weeks ago. Buddy Nix has come out and said Fitzy is our QB and that any QB they bring in would compete to be his back up.
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marshawn lynch
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have.
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titansNvolsR#1
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| marshawn lynch wrote: | | Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have. |
Which means he isn't allowed to give his opinion on your situation, why?
It's more likely that Fitz joins the ranks of JP Losman and Trent Edwards than the opposite end of the spectrum.
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BrownieTheElf
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| marshawn lynch wrote: | | Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have. |
It doesn't matter what team you support if you're correct.
Fitzpatrick reminds me a lot of Derek Anderson's path. I'm a Browns fan who lives in Buffalo since I need to have some credibility to say things.
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roysmyboy31
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Couldn't hurt unless they are investing a lot in him, which they certainly won't. Bills have a long playoff drought and should be exploring all avenues to improve their team to that of a playoff contender. I think they have had a good offseason so far up to this point as it is.
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marshawn lynch
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| titansNvolsR#1 wrote: | | marshawn lynch wrote: | | Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have. |
Which means he isn't allowed to give his opinion on your situation, why?
It's more likely that Fitz joins the ranks of JP Losman and Trent Edwards than the opposite end of the spectrum. |
No he is just ignorant for assuming that VY is coming here to compete with Fitz. We are only looking to upgrade our backup QB.
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| roysmyboy31 wrote: | | Couldn't hurt... |
That's the thing with Vince though. It could hurt - regardless of the money involved. Maybe he has changed. I hope - for his sake - he has changed. But when he was in Tennessee, he was an absolute cancer in the locker room. He and Fisher had this poorly hidden animosity based, I would have to assume, on Fisher's estimation of the amount of work Vince was willing to put in. It wasn't just Fisher though - immediately following his release, there were "anonymous player sources" who said, had he not been cut, the line would have been a long one outside the GM's office asking for their trades or releases. When you've been with a team for over 5 years and still can't call a coherent offensive play in the huddle, people begin to lose faith in you. But then there are people like Kenny Britt who will support VY 100%. So your locker room becomes divided - which absolutely hurts a team.
Given he will be, at best, a backup there to start, hopefully none of this comes into play. But the point is risks involving signing a player are not limited to just the financial aspect of the signing.
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BillsGuy82
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| titansNvolsR#1 wrote: | | marshawn lynch wrote: | | Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have. |
Which means he isn't allowed to give his opinion on your situation, why?
It's more likely that Fitz joins the ranks of JP Losman and Trent Edwards than the opposite end of the spectrum. |
I don't see him stating he couldn't say his opinion. Anyways, I know I will enjoy the fish chasing there tails for the next couple of seasons, so don't let there opinions bother you. On too Vince Young, a little competition at all levels shouldn't hurt, as long as he doesnt become a head case |
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TheKillerNacho
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| marshawn lynch wrote: | | titansNvolsR#1 wrote: | | marshawn lynch wrote: | | Lol at a dolphin fan dissing our QB situation. Fitz is better than anything they have. |
Which means he isn't allowed to give his opinion on your situation, why?
It's more likely that Fitz joins the ranks of JP Losman and Trent Edwards than the opposite end of the spectrum. |
No he is just ignorant for assuming that VY is coming here to compete with Fitz. We are only looking to upgrade our backup QB. |
I'm not claiming VY will compete with Fitzpatrick. I'm saying he should and perhaps could. Of course, I've learned in recent years, the Bills very rarely do what they should do. The farce of the Fitzpatrick extension alone shows that.
And really... as others have said, the Dolphins' QB situation is irrelevant in this discussion. Just because the Dolphins have sucky QBs doesn't mean my ability to have and discuss my opinion about QBs is somehow lessened. You could say I'm perhaps biased, but honestly, I don't think I'm a very biased fan at all, I try to be objective about everything.
I'm sorry that you like Ryan Fitzpatrick so much. For your sake, I hope he works out for you. I just don't see him ever being better than pedestrian. He's done nothing to prove otherwise. But even if the Bills did believe he could be a franchise QB, they should still have competition and a backup plan for him.
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Do you all want to hear the funny part?
When Vince was here, fans and media said he was screwing up because he wasnt,making the right protection calls for the line.
Now, Vince isnt here and C Amano is being blamed for it.
Which is it my beloved Titan fans??
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Don't do it buffalo. You already know what he'll say
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RuskieTitan
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| therealdeal wrote: | Do you all want to hear the funny part?
When Vince was here, fans and media said he was screwing up because he wasnt,making the right protection calls for the line.
Now, Vince isnt here and C Amano is being blamed for it.
Which is it my beloved Titan fans?? |
Both. They both suck.
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s_camp
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| therealdeal wrote: | Do you all want to hear the funny part?
When Vince was here, fans and media said he was screwing up because he wasnt,making the right protection calls for the line.
Now, Vince isnt here and C Amano is being blamed for it.
Which is it my beloved Titan fans?? |
Yeah, that and the stripclub fistfights, complete lack of leadership, bad work ethic, poor touch on short passes, mental fragility, constantly cramped hamstrings, embarrassing press conferences, attempts to take himself out of games, walking out while the coach was giving a speech, missing team flights, etc etc etc.
He and Eugene both suck out loud. One is gone and the other can't gtfo out quick enough! |
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Buffalo wouldn't be a bad spot for him, though I think Kansas City also makes a ton of sense.
Cassel hasn't done much of anything, and I think Young can succeed with that offense.
They have the pieces where they can be a very run heavy offense, then run the play-action boot off of that successfully. Jamaal Charles and Peyton Hillis have the potential to be the best tandem in the league if Charles is healthy and Hillis returns to form. I also really like Cyrus Gray, and they drafted several o-linemen.
Then the Chiefs also have the depth at WR and TE to run a spread, and they have several big guys who can fight for jump balls and a couple good checkdown options.
If I were Romeo Crennel, I would sign Young. Then I would take care of the defense. Brian Doboll would then just really dumb down the passing offense to where Young could safely get the ball to a specific playmaker, and then have a checkdown option or two. I would only have him play one half the field really.
If the defense comes up big, the skill position players make some plays, and the ball isn't turned over, then they can keep the games tight and capitalize on the other team's mistakes.
Right now though, Cassel can't even do that. At least team's respect the fact that Young CAN be dangerous if he makes the right decisions.
Really I think pocket passers are the way to go and a QB isn't going to run himself to multiple Super Bowl victories. However, if it comes down to a mediocre pocket passer versus a guy that can at least make plays on his feet, then I take the mobile guy.
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