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 Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: J'Marcus Webb Thread. Talk about it geez. |
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Getting kinda of tired of going to threads and wanting to read comments and comment on the actual thread and then watch a internet keyboard tennis match talking about J'Marcus isn't the next Joe Thomas or Jake Long. The guy is a athletic 6-8 335 with good feet. Yes he was a 7th rd pick, but he has played ok giving his situation. Once again we were 7-3 and middle of the pack in sacks befor Cutler got hurt, so we are improving. Plus Cutler's injury was a fluke injury and had nothing to do with play of the offesive line. Give him a full TC and offseason then make the judgement on him. Looks like after the draft the FO is satisfied with what they have in our offensive line. I think Webb will turn out to be a good pro in the end.
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Madmike90
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Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
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neo
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The thing is with Webb is that he is just like any other player. It takes about 3 years to get a true grasp of playing in the NFL. New offense taylored with moving the pocket allowing him to show his quick feet, less 7 step drops for Cutler means less time for him to sustain a block, better WR's making defenses play honest, and just more time learning the position. We have a decent line with goo athletes all most postions on the line so we have a good chance in improving a lot with our new changes.
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| Going forward, Webb is our OT. The draft is over, FA is over. For 2012 Webb is our starting left tackle. Get behind him. If he fails after this season, we'll get a new one. |
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ChicagoAl
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| Madmike90 wrote: | Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
As the initial poster stated we were 7-3 and Webb was neither having drive killing penalties nor allowing excessive sacks during those ten games because we had adjusted Martz's offense and had a competent QB behind the line. He handled Jared Allen just fine in the first MN game. The last game was a different issue but probably had as much to do with the fact that our QB was leading sophomores in push-ups just weeks before taking the field in MN as his play per se. IF your analysis is correct the absence of C Williams at guard likely had a lot to do with any inability to handle an inside rush.
I agree that he will have to continue to get better and work hard to do so. I also would not be surprised or upset to see another T added to the mix before the season starts. |
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ChicagoAl
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| neo wrote: | | The thing is with Webb is that he is just like any other player. It takes about 3 years to get a true grasp of playing in the NFL. New offense taylored with moving the pocket allowing him to show his quick feet, less 7 step drops for Cutler means less time for him to sustain a block, better WR's making defenses play honest, and just more time learning the position. We have a decent line with goo athletes all most postions on the line so we have a good chance in improving a lot with our new changes. |
It is very frustrating to watch posters dump all over a guy who is still learning the game. Webb's coaching has not been good and that, undoubtedly, has limited his play. He is receiving good coaching now probably for the first time in his career. This impatience with player development is also shown by the reaction to Knox that many show. |
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DaMike
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| I think we're set on the OL other then LT and Webb. I hope Webb steps it up this season. The scheme change should help. |
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GOGRIESE
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
As the initial poster stated we were 7-3 and Webb was neither having drive killing penalties nor allowing excessive sacks during those ten games because we had adjusted Martz's offense and had a competent QB behind the line. He handled Jared Allen just fine in the first MN game. The last game was a different issue but probably had as much to do with the fact that our QB was leading sophomores in push-ups just weeks before taking the field in MN as his play per se. IF your analysis is correct the absence of C Williams at guard likely had a lot to do with any inability to handle an inside rush.
I agree that he will have to continue to get better and work hard to do so. I also would not be surprised or upset to see another T added to the mix before the season starts. |
I have no idea why you stated Josh McCown being a High School coach. He has always been known to have wheels and being pretty mobile. Infact Martz had him at wide out for a little while in Detroit. Pretty silly to be blaming Josh for Webb's mistakes on the outside. |
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| GOGRIESE wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
As the initial poster stated we were 7-3 and Webb was neither having drive killing penalties nor allowing excessive sacks during those ten games because we had adjusted Martz's offense and had a competent QB behind the line. He handled Jared Allen just fine in the first MN game. The last game was a different issue but probably had as much to do with the fact that our QB was leading sophomores in push-ups just weeks before taking the field in MN as his play per se. IF your analysis is correct the absence of C Williams at guard likely had a lot to do with any inability to handle an inside rush.
I agree that he will have to continue to get better and work hard to do so. I also would not be surprised or upset to see another T added to the mix before the season starts. |
I have no idea why you stated Josh McCown being a High School coach. He has always been known to have wheels and being pretty mobile. Infact Martz had him at wide out for a little while in Detroit. Pretty silly to be blaming Josh for Webb's mistakes on the outside. |
is that true?
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| VeniceBearsFan wrote: | | GOGRIESE wrote: | | ChicagoAl wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
As the initial poster stated we were 7-3 and Webb was neither having drive killing penalties nor allowing excessive sacks during those ten games because we had adjusted Martz's offense and had a competent QB behind the line. He handled Jared Allen just fine in the first MN game. The last game was a different issue but probably had as much to do with the fact that our QB was leading sophomores in push-ups just weeks before taking the field in MN as his play per se. IF your analysis is correct the absence of C Williams at guard likely had a lot to do with any inability to handle an inside rush.
I agree that he will have to continue to get better and work hard to do so. I also would not be surprised or upset to see another T added to the mix before the season starts. |
I have no idea why you stated Josh McCown being a High School coach. He has always been known to have wheels and being pretty mobile. Infact Martz had him at wide out for a little while in Detroit. Pretty silly to be blaming Josh for Webb's mistakes on the outside. |
is that true? |
Hate to use wikipedia but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McCown |
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Madmike90
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | Madmike90 wrote: | Webb’s biggest issue is he allows “splash” plays…he can go 2 or 3 series of solid play and then he will allow a sack or commit a penalty on a key down that sets the offence back…and those are the plays we all remember…last year he was credited with 13 penalties & 14 sacks allowed…27 negative plays in 16 games is a concern as those are driving killing plays…the hope is with Martz out the door not only will Webb’s play improve due to the fact we won’t have so many plays that involve long QB drops and long developing receiver routes but Tice will focus more on not leaving the tackles on an island anywhere near as much as they were last year…the TEs are going to be key in this new scheme…especially David & Spaeth as they can be inline blocker who can help the OTs in pass pro…the key word is help unlike under Martz where he expected those two TEs to block DEs one on one which was totally unrealistic…Davis also has the speed to get out quickly into a route so Jay can dump the ball off is there is too much pressure…add in a guy like Rodriguez who won’t be an inline blocker but can shift across the formation…chip a rusher and get out into his route for another option…those are the things that can help Webb…
Something interesting that Phil Emery said at one of his draft day presser was that the top LTs in the NFL aren’t really the guys who can handle outside speed…he said there were plenty of athletes who can get that done…what he said was guys who can handle the inside counter of an outside rush are the elite guys…if there is one thing Webb struggles with it’s the inside counter…that why Jared Allen destroyed him…Webb has to work on being able to deal with the inside counter or he won’t last much longer as a starting LT in the league…he has the raw talent and measurable to be a good player…he just has to work hard on getting the best out of those natural tools. |
As the initial poster stated we were 7-3 and Webb was neither having drive killing penalties nor allowing excessive sacks during those ten games because we had adjusted Martz's offense and had a competent QB behind the line. He handled Jared Allen just fine in the first MN game. The last game was a different issue but probably had as much to do with the fact that our QB was leading sophomores in push-ups just weeks before taking the field in MN as his play per se. IF your analysis is correct the absence of C Williams at guard likely had a lot to do with any inability to handle an inside rush.
I agree that he will have to continue to get better and work hard to do so. I also would not be surprised or upset to see another T added to the mix before the season starts. |
His 14 sacks gave up 87.5 yards…his 4 holding calls gave up 40 yards and his 8 false starts gave up 40 yards…so that 167.5 negative yards on the season that Webb alone gave up…you don’t think that is drive killing?…also on the frankly wrong statement that Webb handled Allen in the first game against Minny Allen had 1 sack…2 TFL and another tackle…3 negative plays is hardly handling him…now I have no problem with Webb having problems with Allen due to the fact that most tackles struggle against him but let’s not pretend it was only against elite guys he had issues…on the subject of you thinking losing Chris Williams inside had anything to do with Webb struggling with the counter move of an outside rush shows you clearly have no idea of what an OT has to do against a counter move. |
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Bfan
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: J'Marcus Webb Thread. Talk about it geez. |
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| neo wrote: | | Getting kinda of tired of going to threads and wanting to read comments and comment on the actual thread and then watch a internet keyboard tennis match talking about J'Marcus isn't the next Joe Thomas or Jake Long. The guy is a athletic 6-8 335 with good feet. Yes he was a 7th rd pick, but he has played ok giving his situation. Once again we were 7-3 and middle of the pack in sacks befor Cutler got hurt, so we are improving. Plus Cutler's injury was a fluke injury and had nothing to do with play of the offesive line. Give him a full TC and offseason then make the judgement on him. Looks like after the draft the FO is satisfied with what they have in our offensive line. I think Webb will turn out to be a good pro in the end. |
Dear lord I see what you mean. I am three for three on opening a thread only to find out they are all turning back to a discussion of Webb  |
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I'll echo what I said in the E-Rod thread: I feel like hating J'Marcus Webb is more about trying to boast about being right than anything else.
Everybody should hope the guy does well, because the success of the passing game may/will depend on it.
But merely saying "HE'S GONNA SUCK, WATCH, YOU'LL ALL SEE" at every opportunity requires zero intelligence, or football knowledge for that matter. And besides that, nobody cares. |
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I'll take Webb over the Packers' Clifton (sp) any time, but the Pack offense was effective even with Clifton because Rogers gets the ball out fast and he could only do that because he had great receivers that read defenses, got open, and won contested balls. Cutler and Webb had NONE of that and had kamikaze Martz's offense to boot.
It got better last season after an on the field Cutler literally told the headset guy to tell him (Martz) to x-off and Cutler essentially started calling the plays. We went on a 5-0 run from 2-3 to 7-3. 39 points, 1 sack. 24 and 2. 30 and zero. 37 and 2. 31 and zero. 161 points and 5 sacks.
If the Bears can average over 32 points a game and 1 sack a game with Webb at OLT, I'll take that in a heartbeat. |
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