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| ReggieCamp wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | As far as Benard, he will really have an uphill battle just making the final 53. Unless damaged by the bike crash, the skills are certainly there, but this administration has never really seemed to like him, and when Benard took it upon himself to gain weight in the offseason last year to try to win the DE spot opposite Sheard, it really rubbed them all the wrong way, they wanted him to keep the current weight and try LB. |
You make it sound like the FO and coaches are jerking around Benard. Examine the facts.
- The coaches wanted him to stay at his weight and be a pass rushing DE.
- He was out of shape when he reported for training camp.
- He then proceeded to get in a motorcycle crash.
- The Browns were totally within their rights to withhold pay. They did not.
- They re-structured his contract to add another year.
This administration never seemed to like him, you say? I'd say the opposite, and they've given him more than enough leeway and patience. Time for him to step up. |
This. 100%
With the lockout, Benard assumed he would have to bulk up to play DE. So he gained about 20+ lbs to get up around 270. Problem was, that took away his biggest weapon, his speed. So he spent most of TC loosing that 20 lbs. Then got into the accident.
He broke his arm or wrist, so hopefully he was able to to recover quickly enough to use his time away from football to get into great shape. I'd be more worred had something happened to his leg or knee |
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RabidDawgs
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | dawgdish wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: |
As far as Maiava, I agree with the poster that says a lot of that can be attributed to the suck that played in front of him, its hilarious that so many on here though he was the 2nd coming of Reggie White, just had not been given a shot, based solely on comments by Tom Heckert. 
lol what a harsh reality that must have been for those guys to watch him last year.
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Who ever said that? They should have known that could never be true...after all, the guy was drafted by Mangini. |
Rabid, are you talking about Mithcell?
No one thought he was the second coming of anything! We were HOPING that maybe he was a guy buried on the depth chart of a team with a monster of a DLINE and that he could be a pleasant surprise.
When you try to make a point, you completely lose all credibility when you make over the top comments like this. No one will take you seriously when you make it seem like everyone here thought that this guy was gonna be a probowler or anything close.
Sorry that Heckert said he thought he was the best pass rusher on our team AT THAT POINT. Which sadly wasn't a huge stretch considering Sheard and Taylor weren't here yet. |
Of course I am talking about Mitchell, and my how tunes change from year to year. Calling Mitchell what he is, which is a big bag of suck, is another thing that had so many here calling me troll. Well troll was right.
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | dawgdish wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: |
As far as Maiava, I agree with the poster that says a lot of that can be attributed to the suck that played in front of him, its hilarious that so many on here though he was the 2nd coming of Reggie White, just had not been given a shot, based solely on comments by Tom Heckert.
lol what a harsh reality that must have been for those guys to watch him last year.
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Who ever said that? They should have known that could never be true...after all, the guy was drafted by Mangini. |
Rabid, are you talking about Mithcell?
No one thought he was the second coming of anything! We were HOPING that maybe he was a guy buried on the depth chart of a team with a monster of a DLINE and that he could be a pleasant surprise.
When you try to make a point, you completely lose all credibility when you make over the top comments like this. No one will take you seriously when you make it seem like everyone here thought that this guy was gonna be a probowler or anything close.
Sorry that Heckert said he thought he was the best pass rusher on our team AT THAT POINT. Which sadly wasn't a huge stretch considering Sheard and Taylor weren't here yet. |
Of course I am talking about Mitchell, and my how tunes change from year to year. Calling Mitchell what he is, which is a big bag of suck, is another thing that had so many here calling me troll. Well troll was right. |
We were hoping that he wasn't terrible, but he was. That is different than everyone thinking he was going to be a probowl player.
We were hoping for a servicable starter to hold the fort till we could upgrade.
Find a post on this site where someone proclaimed Mitchell as anything better than that and I will eat crow. It didn't happen.
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RabidDawgs
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | dawgdish wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: |
As far as Maiava, I agree with the poster that says a lot of that can be attributed to the suck that played in front of him, its hilarious that so many on here though he was the 2nd coming of Reggie White, just had not been given a shot, based solely on comments by Tom Heckert.
lol what a harsh reality that must have been for those guys to watch him last year.
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Who ever said that? They should have known that could never be true...after all, the guy was drafted by Mangini. |
Rabid, are you talking about Mithcell?
No one thought he was the second coming of anything! We were HOPING that maybe he was a guy buried on the depth chart of a team with a monster of a DLINE and that he could be a pleasant surprise.
When you try to make a point, you completely lose all credibility when you make over the top comments like this. No one will take you seriously when you make it seem like everyone here thought that this guy was gonna be a probowler or anything close.
Sorry that Heckert said he thought he was the best pass rusher on our team AT THAT POINT. Which sadly wasn't a huge stretch considering Sheard and Taylor weren't here yet. |
Of course I am talking about Mitchell, and my how tunes change from year to year. Calling Mitchell what he is, which is a big bag of suck, is another thing that had so many here calling me troll. Well troll was right. |
We were hoping that he wasn't terrible, but he was. That is different than everyone thinking he was going to be a probowl player.
We were hoping for a servicable starter to hold the fort till we could upgrade.
Find a post on this site where someone proclaimed Mitchell as anything better than that and I will eat crow. It didn't happen. |
Well crap, you know I am lazy when it comes to digging back through the archives. I haven't even dug back to check the terms of a sig bet I recently made and likely won.
But for this, I am gonna have to do just that, just to watch you go back on your word.
There was not HOPE, about Mitchell before last season, there were sheep blindly hanging on what Heckert told them. Ignoring the obvious truths, and pretty much ridiculing everyone that pointed out those obvious truths. That, is not posting "we hope he will be serviceable". I will be back with SEVERAL posts. 
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Lets start out with this thread, where the druid is really drinking the kool aid, and so many are lined up to serve me a huge plate of crow to eat when Mitchell is a legit pass rusher.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=454718
in this thread, we see some colorful Jayme Mitchell adjectives, one described him as fantastic, another described him as a mountain of a man, many talked about him owning Jake Long, many talked about how our DLine, including Mitchell, are beast mode, mistake posted some of those irrelevant statistics that only egg heads can understand, that list Mitchell as #7 in the NFL.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=461816&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Anyway, thats enough digging for now, I need a nap. I will be waiting for you to back pedal out of your previous post, saying something like, when I said "we" I didn't mean those guys.
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Estonianzulu
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | Lets start out with this thread, where the druid is really drinking the kool aid, and so many are lined up to serve me a huge plate of crow to eat when Mitchell is a legit pass rusher |
Its best not to play this game. One can always find threads of any poster putting a foot in their mouth. Say, about Hillis as a fullback, or Jones demolishing AJ Green, or Carlton Mitchell having a breakout year.
Or in my case, about RG3 being a 6th round pick 
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | Lets start out with this thread, where the druid is really drinking the kool aid, and so many are lined up to serve me a huge plate of crow to eat when Mitchell is a legit pass rusher |
Its best not to play this game. One can always find threads of any poster putting a foot in their mouth. Say, about Hillis as a fullback, or Jones demolishing AJ Green, or Carlton Mitchell having a breakout year.
Or in my case, about RG3 being a 6th round pick |
I was just complying with the other posters request.
As far as Hillis at full back, well, had MoHard not been shards of glass last year, Hillis likely would have been full back, which is what I was saying all along, things changed when Hardesty stayed hurt. The season might have turned out much differently in that case for MoHard, Hillis, and the Browns in general.
As far as Green, I do admit, he turned out better in his rookie year than I anticipated. I have no problem admitting when I was not correct.
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | Lets start out with this thread, where the druid is really drinking the kool aid, and so many are lined up to serve me a huge plate of crow to eat when Mitchell is a legit pass rusher |
Its best not to play this game. One can always find threads of any poster putting a foot in their mouth. Say, about Hillis as a fullback, or Jones demolishing AJ Green, or Carlton Mitchell having a breakout year.
Or in my case, about RG3 being a 6th round pick |
I was just complying with the other posters request.
As far as Hillis at full back, well, had MoHard not been shards of glass last year, Hillis likely would have been full back, which is what I was saying all along, things changed when Hardesty stayed hurt. The season might have turned out much differently in that case for MoHard, Hillis, and the Browns in general.
As far as Green, I do admit, he turned out better in his rookie year than I anticipated. I have no problem admitting when I was not correct. |
Hillis probably wouldn't have been a fullback.
People get annoyed with you because you make statements that aren't true. A few people had hopes for Mitchell being a good player (I was not one of them), but you made it out to be that EVERYONE thought he was going to be a pro bowler. That's not the only ridiculous statement you made... that's just one example. And you act like you're right about the RG3 thing when in fact the Browns did offer an absolute ton for him. Just because the Rams decided to trade with the Redskins doesn't mean you were right about the Browns not being willing to give up a ton for RG3 because they obviously were willing. These are just a couple of examples.
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I have seeen Maiva miss easy tackles. I don't like it when linebackers miss easy tackles, it would indicate that is a poor tackler, the bread and butter of the position.
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Rabid pretty much says all 53 guys on the roster are the epic suck and every coach and FO member is brain dead so when he does get one right he's been on a rampage about "troll" being right for a good month.
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| KamTrus20 wrote: | | Rabid pretty much says all 53 guys on the roster are the epic suck and every coach and FO member is brain dead so when he does get one right he's been on a rampage about "troll" being right for a good month. |
Or not, accusation much? There are several guys on the roster that I think are very good players (Thomas, Mack, Haden, TRich). Then there are the players that I view as very good (DQ, Dawson, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor). There are also several others that I think fill a very important role on the team. (Watson, Little, Gocong) And finally there are also players on the team I feel have great potential. (Colt, Weeden, and the rest of the rookies).
I do tell it, as I see it, and here is the thing.... look at our team since the return? How good have we been? What does any OBJECTIVE fan see when they watch the team (remember, I tell it like I see it).
Now... about that definition of a troll... Does the post I quoted qualify?
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Dawgpoun8017, KamTrus20 Cut it out. If you disagree with someone's points respond with reasons why. Posting that someone is a troll or linking to dumb videos does not contribute to the conversation.
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | KamTrus20 wrote: | | Rabid pretty much says all 53 guys on the roster are the epic suck and every coach and FO member is brain dead so when he does get one right he's been on a rampage about "troll" being right for a good month. |
Or not, accusation much? There are several guys on the roster that I think are very good players (Thomas, Mack, Haden, TRich). Then there are the players that I view as very good (DQ, Dawson, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor). There are also several others that I think fill a very important role on the team. (Watson, Little, Gocong) And finally there are also players on the team I feel have great potential. (Colt, Weeden, and the rest of the rookies).
I do tell it, as I see it, and here is the thing.... look at our team since the return? How good have we been? What does any OBJECTIVE fan see when they watch the team (remember, I tell it like I see it).
Now... about that definition of a troll... Does the post I quoted qualify? |
Serious question, what's the difference? (highlighted above)
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Jayme Mitchell is the greatest DE to every play the game. there ya go Rabid, have fun stroking your ego with that.
i wouldn't be against giving Maiava another chance to start but he should be on a short leash. Benard if healthy is another option, or the rookies. i'll just be happy to not watch RBs and TEs run right past Fujita on every play.
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