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Zukhyubern
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 4386 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
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dbronx42
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 3848 Location: Mile High 303
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Zukhyubern wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
Apparently he thinks we signed 26 year old Peyton Manning. Not 36 year old Manning after 4 neck surgeries. _________________
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jonnyj20 
Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 10493 Location: SLC
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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My biggest issue is with the player himself. I agree that Osweiler has some great tools, mostly his athletisicm and arm strength. However I also feel that Osweiler is a poor decision maker (let it be known that I have watched many ASU games, including in person). I don't think he has the football mind that will be able to pick-up on the Peyton Manning style. He played in a very simple offense in college and rarely went through progressions. When he did throw he was locked onto his receiver almost everytime. Isn't this the same issue Tebow had? _________________
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broncos67 
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18089 Location: Capitol Cit-ay
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Zukhyubern wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
How did all that planning for the here and now benefit the Colts last season.
Now tell me how planning for the future helped the Packers.
I rest my case. _________________
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Mile High 
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 3124 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't dislike Osweiler, my problem is the position he plays. We are a win now team and Vinny Curry, Lamichael James, Rueben Randle and Dwayne Allen were all on the board.
All those guys would have made an immediate impact (even at least as special teamers.) Osweiler doesn't offer that.
Also he is going to have to sit forever. _________________
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Mile High 
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 3124 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| broncos67 wrote: | | Zukhyubern wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
How did all that planning for the here and now benefit the Colts last season.
It allowed the Colts to get the best QB prospect since Elway? And the Packers got incredibly lucky that Rodgers fell.
Now tell me how planning for the future helped the Packers.
I rest my case. |
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medicman29
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 97 Location: pacific northwest
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I dislike the fact that we used a second round pick on him, when there were clearly more pressing needs. We could have got kirk cousins in the 4th, or several other developmental QB's later. |
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rhuston
Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 258 Location: valdez ak
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I would have much rather drafted LaMichael James or Lavonte David. and traded up in the third for Osweiler. |
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JerseysFinest27 
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Posts: 5972 Location: New Jersey... Props to inDENguise on the sig
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| broncos67 wrote: | | Zukhyubern wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
How did all that planning for the here and now benefit the Colts last season.
Now tell me how planning for the future helped the Packers.
I rest my case. |
That is not the point. I dont mind worrying about the future, with a later pick. The #Broncos have so many holes on both sides of the ball. The defense looks like swiss cheese at times and the offense has maybe 2 playmakers (McGahee and DT).
Besides the fact, I would rather have Hanie or Weber playing QB right now than Osweiler. Have you ever seen him play? Hes got A LOT of work to do before he plays a snap in the NFL.
| medicman29 wrote: | | I dislike the fact that we used a second round pick on him, when there were clearly more pressing needs. We could have got kirk cousins in the 4th, or several other developmental QB's later. |
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broncos67 
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18089 Location: Capitol Cit-ay
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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^^^
This is what people don't understand. You don't draft a QB late with the expectations of having him develop into something. It rarely happens. There aren't many late round guys floating around out there who became great because they waited around for awhile. There are some, but not many.
If you actually want to take a QB to develop, it needs to be a QB early. How is what I said not the point? The Colts went the route everyone who doesn't like Osweiler is advocating. They took late round developmental guys, who went as late in the draft as they did because they lacked in a ton of areas.
Brock Osweiler actually has talent, but he also needs to wait. Ergo, this is a perfect situation for him. _________________
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Mile High 
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 3124 Location: FL
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| broncos67 wrote: | ^^^
This is what people don't understand. You don't draft a QB late with the expectations of having him develop into something. It rarely happens. There aren't many late round guys floating around out there who became great because they waited around for awhile. There are some, but not many |
How can you get the point, but not connect the dots? I completely agree, but Osweiler doesn't really cut it as early. Getting the 5th best QB in the draft isn't really early. Getting a 3rd 4th rounder in the late 2nd doesn't make him an early pick.
To put that in perspective into comparison with other "star" 2nd rounders:
Brett Favre - 3rd QB taken
Drew Brees- 2nd QB taken
Jake Plummer - 2nd QB taken.
Any of these guys could have gone in the 1st.
Osweiler was the 5th QB, and isn't elite (1st round) talent, or anything near 1st round talent. That is what you need when grooming a QB. _________________
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JerseysFinest27 
Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Posts: 5972 Location: New Jersey... Props to inDENguise on the sig
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| broncos67 wrote: | ^^^
This is what people don't understand. You don't draft a QB late with the expectations of having him develop into something. It rarely happens. There aren't many late round guys floating around out there who became great because they waited around for awhile. There are some, but not many.
If you actually want to take a QB to develop, it needs to be a QB early. How is what I said not the point? The Colts went the route everyone who doesn't like Osweiler is advocating. They took late round developmental guys, who went as late in the draft as they did because they lacked in a ton of areas.
Brock Osweiler actually has talent, but he also needs to wait. Ergo, this is a perfect situation for him. |
So you came at me with the topic of Peyton Manning is 36 and had 4 neck surgeries so ill do the same...
If Manning gets hurt and Brock Osweiler clearly isnt ready yet, Brock will get rushed into the starting role because of his draft slot and "high potential" and will quickly falter. Wouldnt you consider that a waste? _________________
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Zukhyubern
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 4386 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| broncos67 wrote: | | Zukhyubern wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | My biggest problem is that fans are so short sighted and only look at the now. Then they would be the same fans that if Manning doesn't return will criticize Denver for being short sighted and not looking at the future |
You dont pay a man $96M over 5 years to think about the future. You worry about the now. | Oh give me a break, that's not an argument at all. Teams should always worry about depth and the future especially at the quarterback position. So if Manning goes down you would rather have Caleb Hanie and Adam Weber as your backups? |
How did all that planning for the here and now benefit the Colts last season.
Now tell me how planning for the future helped the Packers.
I rest my case. | Osweiler >> Sorgi + Painter
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Matt Flynn? Aaron Rogers?  |
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big_palooka 
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 19040 Location: ATL
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I voted both. Feel free to get on me as a rival fan, but I'd feel the same way no matter who picked him.
Osweiler was a nobody coming into the process, shot up draft boards based on arm strength and size for the position. He was unimpressive at ASU. Folded under pressure. Took a lot of sacks (and don't go on an Oline rant) he stood there lost as to what to do and took sacks. He's a 1 year starter who did well against the Pac 12, but in the NFL his size and sluggish foot speed will hamper him.
There are some things to like about his game, but he's a classic throw at the WR, no anticipation type QB. Slow footed and will be a big target in the pocket.
I will root for him. Saw him play in high school numerous times (basketball also). _________________
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Winder23 
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| AnAngryAmerican wrote: | I actually like Osweiler as a developmental QB prospect. He's got all the physical tools and intangibles you look for a potential franchise QB.
The problem was that we picked him and that we picked him in the 2nd round. It's too early for us to be worrying about drafting Manning's successor - and the fact that Elway did it was so shocking as he remembers when Reeves drafted Tommy Maddox - and for a team that is supposed to be building for a Super Bowl, and building for it primarily through the draft, a second round pick was an awfully expensive price to pay for a player who will not contribute for at least three years.
Elway has done A LOT of very good things as Football Czar for the Broncos. Every major decision he's made - hiring Fox, drafting Von, signing Peyton, trading Tebow - have been great. Drafting Osweiler in the second specifically and having a largely lackluster, reach-heavy draft generally, has been his first major mistake(s). | So you are telling me that you would have been OK going into the season with Caleb Hanie and Adam "Potsy" Weber as our only options behind Manning? If Manning were to go down I would be very disappointed with Hanie as the trigger man. He sucks! The Broncos need to develop soemone behind Manning. We have the luxury of being able to bring someone along behind Manning and have a backup/successor in place. _________________ GO BRONCOS! |
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