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 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: Will Delanie Walker see play time squeezed in 2012? |
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| Quote: | | As the 49ers' WR corps dwindled last season, so did that unit's playing time. Consequently, two TE formations became the 49ers' base offense. Over the course of the entire season, the 49ers employed an average of 1.80 WRs per play. Despite Walker missing the final 7 quarters of the regular season with a fractured jaw, the 49ers used 1.65 TEs per play. Last season, Walker played more snaps (535) than any 49ers WR other than Crabtree, who was on the field for 668 snaps. Despite his increase in play time through the course of season, Walker caught only 19 passes for 198 yards and three TDs. In fact, he went five full games without a catch before he sustained his injury. Walker's improved blocking -- and the fact the 49ers' wideouts did not earn the coaches' trust -- kept him on the field. |
I like this part..
| Quote: | | Former Stanford tight end Konrad Reuland excelled during the offseason program with the focus on the passing game. |
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I always thought Delanie was overrated by many. He's never been much more than okay, so I don't see him returning next year. I wouldn't even be shocked if he was cut before week 1, in favor of Reuland. Then again, he can be a very useful player. That's the greatest compliment I can make: he's useful.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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^ yeah, Walker's just... aiight to me. Sometimes, he drops some easy, crucial passes. My super-early draft crush at the moment?
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I like delaine. he is willing and able on STs and can be used as a fb, slot receiver etc I think he is gonna make the final roster for sure. His blocking was a lot better last year than it has been in the past. I would like to see Bruce miller take over the role that delaine had last year as our h back. I would much rather us cut brandon jacobs (yuck) than walker. I was talking a lot of smack last season about jacobs so its really hard for me to be optimistic about him on this team. Ill root for him when he is on the field tho until he decides to dance on 4th and 1 at which point I will give him the Tully Banta Cain treatment 
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| rudyZ wrote: | | I always thought Delanie was overrated by many. He's never been much more than okay, so I don't see him returning next year. I wouldn't even be shocked if he was cut before week 1, in favor of Reuland. Then again, he can be a very useful player. That's the greatest compliment I can make: he's useful. |
I agree with this assessment. He'll be in danger of seeing his playing time reduced just from competition from other TEs let alone from more multiple WR sets now that we have quality WRs. Plus we may start positioning the team to do without him after his contract runs out after next season
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I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated?
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| Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer.
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| rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer. |
I cant roll with you on this one, b\c who didnt drop passes? Everybody did. Even the most sure handed. I have to disagree with the chop blocking. He blocks head up. He is more of a position blocker than anything else. He doesnt drive his man, but how many TE's do? Delanie makes more plays than not IMO. Also I dont think Reuland is anywhere near the athlete Walker is. He's definitely not as fast or strong. The only thing Conrad has on Delanie is knowledge of the playbook. It remains to be seen if he is retained after the season, but he is definitely not overrated IMO. I think the biggest knock on Delanie is his height. He isnt a conventional TE.
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| Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer. |
I cant roll with you on this one, b\c who didnt drop passes? Everybody did. Even the most sure handed. I have to disagree with the chop blocking. He blocks head up. He is more of a position blocker than anything else. He doesnt drive his man, but how many TE's do? Delanie makes more plays than not IMO. Also I dont think Reuland is anywhere near the athlete Walker is. He's definitely not as fast or strong. The only thing Conrad has on Delanie is knowledge of the playbook. It remains to be seen if he is retained after the season, but he is definitely not overrated IMO. I think the biggest knock on Delanie is his height. He isnt a conventional TE. |
Well, Delanie has never had more than 29 catches or 331 yards in a season. And last year, he had only 19 catches. I'd expect more from a playmaker. While I agree that drops were a common theme among all pass-catchers last year, Delanie has had a few of the wide open, sure fire TD variety. A playmaker doesn't miss those, and will add a few tough catches on top of that, which Delanie doesn't make. He's a good player. He's solid. He's nice. He's useful. But to say he adds something more than anyone else doesn't bring is a reach, in my opinion.
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| oldman9er wrote: | ^ yeah, Walker's just... aiight to me. Sometimes, he drops some easy, crucial passes. My super-early draft crush at the moment?
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I love this guy. We'll have to see what needs we have once the season is over. But wth Walker's contract up next year he might make a guy to keep our eye on.
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| big9erfan wrote: | | oldman9er wrote: | ^ yeah, Walker's just... aiight to me. Sometimes, he drops some easy, crucial passes. My super-early draft crush at the moment?
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I love this guy. We'll have to see what needs we have once the season is over. But wth Walker's contract up next year he might make a guy to keep our eye on. |
i think guy is going to go early and be out of our reach. like he goes around 20
but a safety like tj mcdonald or rambo in the first then toilolo in the second. oh me oh my
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer. |
I cant roll with you on this one, b\c who didnt drop passes? Everybody did. Even the most sure handed. I have to disagree with the chop blocking. He blocks head up. He is more of a position blocker than anything else. He doesnt drive his man, but how many TE's do? Delanie makes more plays than not IMO. Also I dont think Reuland is anywhere near the athlete Walker is. He's definitely not as fast or strong. The only thing Conrad has on Delanie is knowledge of the playbook. It remains to be seen if he is retained after the season, but he is definitely not overrated IMO. I think the biggest knock on Delanie is his height. He isnt a conventional TE. |
Well, Delanie has never had more than 29 catches or 331 yards in a season. And last year, he had only 19 catches. I'd expect more from a playmaker. While I agree that drops were a common theme among all pass-catchers last year, Delanie has had a few of the wide open, sure fire TD variety. A playmaker doesn't miss those, and will add a few tough catches on top of that, which Delanie doesn't make. He's a good player. He's solid. He's nice. He's useful. But to say he adds something more than anyone else doesn't bring is a reach, in my opinion. |
Would you consider Vernon Davis a playmaker?
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| Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer. |
I cant roll with you on this one, b\c who didnt drop passes? Everybody did. Even the most sure handed. I have to disagree with the chop blocking. He blocks head up. He is more of a position blocker than anything else. He doesnt drive his man, but how many TE's do? Delanie makes more plays than not IMO. Also I dont think Reuland is anywhere near the athlete Walker is. He's definitely not as fast or strong. The only thing Conrad has on Delanie is knowledge of the playbook. It remains to be seen if he is retained after the season, but he is definitely not overrated IMO. I think the biggest knock on Delanie is his height. He isnt a conventional TE. |
Well, Delanie has never had more than 29 catches or 331 yards in a season. And last year, he had only 19 catches. I'd expect more from a playmaker. While I agree that drops were a common theme among all pass-catchers last year, Delanie has had a few of the wide open, sure fire TD variety. A playmaker doesn't miss those, and will add a few tough catches on top of that, which Delanie doesn't make. He's a good player. He's solid. He's nice. He's useful. But to say he adds something more than anyone else doesn't bring is a reach, in my opinion. |
Would you consider Vernon Davis a playmaker? |
Walker and Davis were both drafted in 2006. VD has 35 TDs, Delanie has 5. So yes, VD is definitely much more of a playmaker than Walker.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | rudyZ wrote: | | Gridirongreat#9 wrote: | | I dont understand how you guys think he is overrated. He blocks pretty damn good. Lions game as an example. He outruns LBs. Dallas game as an example. He can split out wide and make plays. The Bucs game as an example. He is a monster on special team. How is he overrated? |
He drops plenty of easy (likely TD) passes. I remember at least 3 last year. He can outrun LBs, but somehow he doesn't get open, and when he does, he's not a sure thing to catch it. He's more of a chop blocker than a head-on blocker (referring to the same Lions game you used as an example). He's a good and useful player, and the coaches love his ability to soak up the playbook. Great. But for as much opportunities he's had, he hasn't made that many plays. He should have benifitted of VD drawing double-teams a lot more than he has. If he doesn't show something more this year, I don't see why we'd re-sign him over someone like Reuland, who is about as athletic, but bigger, has infinitely better hands, not much worse of a blocker, and has been with Harbaugh longer. |
I cant roll with you on this one, b\c who didnt drop passes? Everybody did. Even the most sure handed. I have to disagree with the chop blocking. He blocks head up. He is more of a position blocker than anything else. He doesnt drive his man, but how many TE's do? Delanie makes more plays than not IMO. Also I dont think Reuland is anywhere near the athlete Walker is. He's definitely not as fast or strong. The only thing Conrad has on Delanie is knowledge of the playbook. It remains to be seen if he is retained after the season, but he is definitely not overrated IMO. I think the biggest knock on Delanie is his height. He isnt a conventional TE. |
Well, Delanie has never had more than 29 catches or 331 yards in a season. And last year, he had only 19 catches. I'd expect more from a playmaker. While I agree that drops were a common theme among all pass-catchers last year, Delanie has had a few of the wide open, sure fire TD variety. A playmaker doesn't miss those, and will add a few tough catches on top of that, which Delanie doesn't make. He's a good player. He's solid. He's nice. He's useful. But to say he adds something more than anyone else doesn't bring is a reach, in my opinion. |
Would you consider Vernon Davis a playmaker? |
Walker and Davis were both drafted in 2006. VD has 35 TDs, Delanie has 5. So yes, VD is definitely much more of a playmaker than Walker. |
Vernon dropped two td passes last season. Also as far as the TD ratio goes, VD is a starter so he will obviously have more looks. I'm not saying that Delanie is in the same category of player that VD is, but I think he makes enough plays to where he shouldnt be called overrated.
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With all the new weapons on the outside, I don't see Walker getting nearly that many snaps. He is a versatile, do-it-all type TE, but is also extremely inconsistent.
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