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You can be content with that if you like but I expect more from someone with his talent level. Just like I'm going to hold Mo to very high standards based on his talent. Its hillarious to me people give Dez a pass then trash on Spencer who has been more productive in his role than Dez in his. People bash Spencer for saying he didn't give 100% in PRACTICE then ignore that Dez is far worse.
I can forgive limited physical abilities if you bust your rear and always give everyhting you have and take nothing with you off the field but I can not stand nor forgive laziness and poor work ethic. It pisses me off quite honestly and if 2yrs isn't enough to learn a freaking playbook then you shouldn't be in the NFL.
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DEZ88PLAYMAKER2
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I am missing where Dez hasnt played up to his talent level is the point I am making. In two years he has put up very respectable numbers for a 2 year pro. I have never said Dez has given anything less than 100% nor is that the indication. This is the same guy some posters last season said they wished he would 'take it easy' in going for that extra yard to avoid injury. So again dont see the relevance in the comparison to a guy that openly admits to slacking. So you are saying it is worse but we dont truly know what is behind it. Could it be that Dez isnt on the same page as Romo yes and could it be either or both of their faults yes but we dont know. That said I think we can agree that Dez needs to do more work between the ears but to put him in the same sentence effort wise with Spencer again is ridiculous. I honestly dont think he is on the field and doesnt know the playbook I think it is more about timing and being on the same page which only comes with practice which due to injury lockout etc Romo and Dez havent had that time. I'd venture to say that Robinson spent more practice time with Romo than Dez did last year due to lockout and injury.
Not to mention with all these flaws and injuries the guys still was a sniff away from a 70 catch 1000 yd 10 td season finishing with 63, 928 and 9 respectively while missing time and spending a lot of time on the field at less than 100% Not playing to his talent level REALLY?
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MaddHatter
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | I am missing where Dez hasnt played up to his talent level is the point I am making. In two years he has put up very respectable numbers for a 2 year pro. I have never said Dez has given anything less than 100% nor is that the indication. This is the same guy some posters last season said they wished he would 'take it easy' in going for that extra yard to avoid injury. So again dont see the relevance in the comparison to a guy that openly admits to slacking. So you are saying it is worse but we dont truly know what is behind it. Could it be that Dez isnt on the same page as Romo yes and could it be either or both of their faults yes but we dont know. That said I think we can agree that Dez needs to do more work between the ears but to put him in the same sentence effort wise with Spencer again is ridiculous. I honestly dont think he is on the field and doesnt know the playbook I think it is more about timing and being on the same page which only comes with practice which due to injury lockout etc Romo and Dez havent had that time. I'd venture to say that Robinson spent more practice time with Romo than Dez did last year due to lockout and injury. |
More a surdity. Spencer didn't give his all in PRACTICE which - I agree - is unacceptable but its no different than Dez not putting in the effort to learn the Playbook or improve his route running which are both undeniable flaws in his game.
and lets not blame Romo who has proven its not him - and this "no offseason" is irrelevant 2 seasons in. And how in the world did LR get more time with Romo when Dez when he was on the streets when the season started and on another teams roster during the preseason?
Wow...
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DEZ88PLAYMAKER2
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MaddHatter wrote: | | DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | I am missing where Dez hasnt played up to his talent level is the point I am making. In two years he has put up very respectable numbers for a 2 year pro. I have never said Dez has given anything less than 100% nor is that the indication. This is the same guy some posters last season said they wished he would 'take it easy' in going for that extra yard to avoid injury. So again dont see the relevance in the comparison to a guy that openly admits to slacking. So you are saying it is worse but we dont truly know what is behind it. Could it be that Dez isnt on the same page as Romo yes and could it be either or both of their faults yes but we dont know. That said I think we can agree that Dez needs to do more work between the ears but to put him in the same sentence effort wise with Spencer again is ridiculous. I honestly dont think he is on the field and doesnt know the playbook I think it is more about timing and being on the same page which only comes with practice which due to injury lockout etc Romo and Dez havent had that time. I'd venture to say that Robinson spent more practice time with Romo than Dez did last year due to lockout and injury. |
More a surdity. Spencer didn't give his all in PRACTICE which - I agree - is unacceptable but its no different than Dez not putting in the effort to learn the Playbook or improve his route running which are both undeniable flaws in his game.
and lets not blame Romo who has proven its not him - and this "no offseason" is irrelevant 2 seasons in. And how in the world did LR get more time with Romo when Dez when he was on the streets when the season started and on another teams roster during the preseason?
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I dont have any information that makes me believe Dez doesnt know the play book. Have I seen Dez gassed on the field yes again due to injury and not being able to condition. Have I seen Dez run less than stellar routes yes again something that you will see in a large amount of elite receivers in their 2nd year even those without injuries and that had the benefit of an off season with their QBs. As far as his route running yes it needs work. It is very possible that Romo bears some of the burden in being fixed in on other receivers. It isnt like we havent heard of the bromance between Romo and Witten.
No off season is relevant last year and injury is relevant his rookie year as he didnt participate in much of anything his rookie off season due to injury thus 2 years no offseason work with his offense and QB to get on the same page until the games counted when there is a lot more to worry about than getting Dez caught up to speed with the offense in terms of timing. So what happens Romo goes with the ball where he is most comfortable in terms of timing and Dez makes the plays he can based purely on his talent. I know this debate will go nowhere because your perception will not change based on what you think of Dez as a person more so than the actual numbers he puts up on the field and the clear circumstances that fuel the issues.
I am by no stretch saying it would have been impossible for him to be a better route runner or have better timing with Romo by now because it is possible but to imply he is underachieving or it is just unfathomable that he hasnt had enough time is not accurate.
Ok Robinson was on the streets while Dez was locked out and injured week 1 which means he didnt practice very much if at all during the week while Robinson did week in and week out once he was off the streets so yes I'd still venture to say Robinson had more practice time with Romo last season than Dez.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | MaddHatter wrote: | | DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | I am missing where Dez hasnt played up to his talent level is the point I am making. In two years he has put up very respectable numbers for a 2 year pro. I have never said Dez has given anything less than 100% nor is that the indication. This is the same guy some posters last season said they wished he would 'take it easy' in going for that extra yard to avoid injury. So again dont see the relevance in the comparison to a guy that openly admits to slacking. So you are saying it is worse but we dont truly know what is behind it. Could it be that Dez isnt on the same page as Romo yes and could it be either or both of their faults yes but we dont know. That said I think we can agree that Dez needs to do more work between the ears but to put him in the same sentence effort wise with Spencer again is ridiculous. I honestly dont think he is on the field and doesnt know the playbook I think it is more about timing and being on the same page which only comes with practice which due to injury lockout etc Romo and Dez havent had that time. I'd venture to say that Robinson spent more practice time with Romo than Dez did last year due to lockout and injury. |
More a surdity. Spencer didn't give his all in PRACTICE which - I agree - is unacceptable but its no different than Dez not putting in the effort to learn the Playbook or improve his route running which are both undeniable flaws in his game.
and lets not blame Romo who has proven its not him - and this "no offseason" is irrelevant 2 seasons in. And how in the world did LR get more time with Romo when Dez when he was on the streets when the season started and on another teams roster during the preseason?
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I dont have any information that makes me believe Dez doesnt know the play book. Have I seen Dez gassed on the field yes again due to injury and not being able to condition. Have I seen Dez run less than stellar routes yes again something that you will see in a large amount of elite receivers in their 2nd year even those without injuries and that had the benefit of an off season with their QBs. As far as his route running yes it needs work. It is very possible that Romo bears some of the burden in being fixed in on other receivers. It isnt like we havent heard of the bromance between Romo and Witten.
No off season is relevant last year and injury is relevant his rookie year as he didnt participate in much of anything his rookie off season due to injury thus 2 years no offseason work with his offense and QB to get on the same page until the games counted when there is a lot more to worry about than getting Dez caught up to speed with the offense in terms of timing. So what happens Romo goes with the ball where he is most comfortable in terms of timing and Dez makes the plays he can based purely on his talent. I know this debate will go nowhere because your perception will not change based on what you think of Dez as a person more so than the actual numbers he puts up on the field and the clear circumstances that fuel the issues.
I am by no stretch saying it would have been impossible for him to be a better route runner or have better timing with Romo by now because it is possible but to imply he is underachieving or it is just unfathomable that he hasnt had enough time is not accurate.
Ok Robinson was on the streets while Dez was locked out and injured week 1 which means he didnt practice very much if at all during the week while Robinson did week in and week out once he was off the streets so yes I'd still venture to say Robinson had more practice time with Romo last season than Dez. |
Your timeline is so far off I don't even think you remember how things transpired. Needless to say you creates your forum name after the guy and have some uncanny
Ldesire to back him up and ignore all faults no matter how glarring they may be. That makes this debate pointless as no matter how mnay facts are brought up you will skew then, make excuses for them, or flat out ignore them.
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DEZ88PLAYMAKER2
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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MH clearly we agree to disagree. I will put weight into your assessment if I see no improvement after Dez has had the benefit of an off season with his QB. You state that I ignore the facts while you discount very good numbers in two years by any standard by a guy that can't run routes doesn't know the play book and whatever else you want to add. At the end of the day Dez isn't where he will end up in terms of performance on the field I see the glass as half full you see it half empty. We can agree that more water needs to be in the glass next season. If it isn't then maybe you will be proven right in your opinion of Dez.
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man if dez breaks out next year this offense is going to be scary......what would you guys consider BREAKOUT numbers?
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| be WARE94 wrote: | | man if dez breaks out next year this offense is going to be scary......what would you guys consider BREAKOUT numbers? |
For Dez I think his catch total is going to stay near 70ish but I think he improves on his TDs and yardage. I'd be happy with 70rec 15 TDs and 1100 yards
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| DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | I'd be happy with 70rec 15 TDs and 1100 yards |
I'm glad you'd take that... lol
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| Dirk Gently wrote: | | DEZ88PLAYMAKER2 wrote: | | I'd be happy with 70rec 15 TDs and 1100 yards |
I'm glad you'd take that... lol |
I mean he had 63 928 and 9 last year and he was gimpy for near a quarter of the season and didn't have good vibe with Romo in the red zone at all. You think 70 1100 and 15 is a pipe dream dirk?
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Not at all... I think it's a ridiculously high bar. 15 TDs would probably lead the league.
I don't think Dez has reached his ceiling yet by any means, but I think it's a little goofy to be complaining about 928yds and 9 TDs.
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| Dirk Gently wrote: | Not at all... I think it's a ridiculously high bar. 15 TDs would probably lead the league.
I don't think Dez has reached his ceiling yet by any means, but I think it's a little goofy to be complaining about 928yds and 9 TDs. |
Yea that's very true which is why i see the glass half full. I think the stars are gonna align for Dez this season at he puts a pro bowl season together.
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Not saying he doesn't have room to improve... but the improvement was there last year and I expect more when he finally has a full training camp. I don't know why people are in such a tizzy.
I certainly don't understand why people are saying that Robinson "out produced" Dez:
Dez 63/928/9
LR 54/858/11
Robinson was the guy Romo went to when everything broke down, so he got the spectacular, impact plays. It was largely because Robisnon had a knack for that "streetball" kind of play and partly because, with Witten, Bryant, and sometimes Austin out on the field, Robinson gets forgotten. That's not a bad thing, but it's not "better than Dez".
Oh, regarding "disappearing in the second half":
1st Q: 19/330
2nd Q: 18/228
3rd Q: 8/100
4th Q: 17/244
So it's actually the 3rd Quarter where he "disappeared" it would seem. That looks like someone making changes at halftime to slow him down and then him adapting to the new scheme. He did, indeed, get shut down in some early games, but that would seem to indicate that he had some very strong 4th quarters later to bring it back up in line, statistically.
Again, I'm not saying he's there yet, but there's no reason to be losing patience with the guy. He's doing fine.
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