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Report: Tarvaris Jackson, not Matt Flynn, will start camp as Seahawks’ starter
http://tracking.si.com/2012/06/24/tarvaris-jackson-seahawks-starter/
| Quote: | When the Seattle Seahawks signed former Green Bay Packers quarterback Matt Flynn to a three year, $26 million contract this offseason, it was widely assumed he would take the starting quarterback job from incumbent Tarvaris Jackson.
Not so fast.
According to a report from ESPN’s John Clayton, Flynn has shown “nothing special” so far in the Seahawks’ minicamp, meaning that Jackson will enter the team’s full training camp as the team’s starter. Jackson is coming off the best season of his professional career, completing 60% of his passes for over 3,000 yards in 2011-2012.
Flynn has served as Aaron Rodgers’ backup in Green Bay since 2008. His breakthrough came in one game at the end of last season, after Green Bay had locked up home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Flynn was electric as the starter in place of Rodgers, throwing for 480 yards and six touchdowns. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Don't get too excited just yet
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/68521/nothing-new-to-see-in-seahawks-qb-race
| Quote: | ESPN's John Clayton noted over the weekend that Tarvaris Jackson would take the initial first-team reps when the Seattle Seahawks open training camp.
This could seem a bit confusing for those following the team's quarterback situation from afar. It's natural to wonder why Matt Flynn wouldn't open camp as the starter after signing a three-year deal averaging $6.5 million per season. The reason: Jackson is the incumbent, coach Pete Carroll wants a legitimate competition and the order wasn't going to change during non-contact practices in the offseason.
To review, here is what Carroll said about the situation on June 14, the day Seattle concluded its three-day mandatory minicamp:
"It's going to take us until we start playing games to where we'll see something happen, I think. At this point, they’re doing everything they can do with the opportunities and they look good, so I can’t tell you that there's anything that’s happened other than we’ll stay with the same format going into [training] camp. I don't think that will change. T-Jack will go first and away we go. But other than that, let the games begin. We'll be really excited to see what happens."
By games, Carroll was referring to the exhibition season. He'll be watching Jackson, Flynn and Russell Wilson compete for the job at that time. We shouldn't get too excited about anything until training camps get going. |
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Yea, unfortunately we're gonna be in this for the long haul. Ugh. It's only going to get more frustrating as time passes.
The only thing I know is that I'll be unbelievably disappointed if we have to watch Tarvaris week 1.
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | Yea, unfortunately we're gonna be in this for the long haul. Ugh. It's only going to get more frustrating as time passes.
The only thing I know is that I'll be unbelievably disappointed if we have to watch Tarvaris week 1. |
I'm interested in seeing a healthy tarvaris, maybe with arm feeling better he can really improve this year
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I honestly doubt it will be anything close to the jackson/whitehurst games last year. Tar Tar will see the first quarter at the most IMO
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| imani wrote: | | I honestly doubt it will be anything close to the jackson/whitehurst games last year. Tar Tar will see the first quarter at the most IMO |
I'm just more surprised that Flynn has pulled away more than he has. Wasn't it Brock Huard who said he went to practice and it was night and day Tarvaris and Flynn? What happened to that? Everything I've read from the individual practice reports shows that the good throws are being made by Flynn and the bad throws are being made by Tarvaris.
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The unfortunately part about this competition is that TJax is a practice player; Flynn is a big game player. TJax is going to look better in practice where he is familiar with the defense and his offense and there is very little pressure.
Tavaris will be Tavaris soon enough. Remember how bad he was in pre-season last year?
Flynn's physical attributes aren't overwhelming, and practice doesn't really show off Flynn's strengths.
Flynn will start minimum 15 games this year barring injury and I'm okay with that. I just wish that Pete would see that more reps would be good for Flynn. However, he's convicted that he needs to give everyone a fair shake, and that's what we love about him.
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As I think about this more, I actually think this is very minor news. It would have been much bigger news for Flynn to start training camp as the starter because it would be virtually impossible for a new qb in a "fair" "open" competition to open training camp as the starter. He's still learning things.
I think this is a move Pete has to make in alignment with what he's already said on the competition. Jackson will probably start game 1 of the pre-season in my mind. However, somewhere between games 1-4 of pre season Flynn will be named starter and Tjax will either be cut or forced to restructure.
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I can dig it 
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http://www.turnto23.com/sports/31237850/detail.html
| Quote: | Seattle head coach Pete Carroll has said that Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson will wage a legitimate competition for the No. 1 spot, but it was reported in recent days that the incumbent would go to camp next month atop the depth chart.
The reaction that Jackson will get the No. 1 snaps, at least at the outset of camp, has generated mixed reactions both inside and outside of the Seattle organization. The six-year veteran definitely has supporters in the locker room and on the staff as well, but even some people in his corner privately question if Jackson can elevate his game at age 29.
Jackson was 7-7 as a starter in 2011, is .500 in his 34 career starts, has a sub-60 percent completion rate, a passer rating of only 77.7 and only a few more touchdown passes than interceptions (38-35).
Also notable is that Jackson has been with the same coordinator for all six years of his career, Darrell Bevell - five seasons in Minnesota and one in Seattle - and hasn't demonstrated marked improvement in that time. In general, the kind of continuity Jackson has enjoyed at coordinator leads to improvement, but that hasn't been the case.
To Carroll's credit, it doesn't look like finances will play a big part in the competition, even though Flynn will make twice as much ($8 million in total compensation as part of his three-year, $19.5 million free agent deal, to Jackson's $4 million) for 2012. But even with Carroll's run-first philosophy, the NFL has become a quarterback league, and Jackson might be little more than just a No. 2 guy.
In fact, The Sports Xchange has confirmed that at least one free agent pursued this spring by the Seahawks dropped the team from consideration because of his questions about the team's quarterback situation moving forward |
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The bolded just really pisses me off. I guess there was no way to really prevent that because we probably hadn't even signed Flynn when that/those free agents dropped us, but it's still frustrating. As of right now, I REALLY don't like how Carroll is handling this. I feel like you're just taking snaps away from the eventual starter in Flynn and it's going to affect his play this season. I wish Pete would just shut up about all of this competition BS and get behind one guy and show faith in him. That's what Harbaugh did with Alex Smith and that's what gets QBs going, confidence from their coach.
Love Pete, but I don't agree with what he's doing. There, you guys can remember this whenever you think I just bend over for whatever the Seahawks are doing
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It was probably V.Shaincoe...and who cares...Tavaris sucks.
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| outside_Insider wrote: | | It was probably V.Shaincoe...and who cares...Tavaris sucks. |
Doubt it was Shiancoe because it's not like he had a ton of other options on the table that he was mulling through. More likely I bet it was a guy like Pierre Garcon or Robert Meachem. Both seem like Pete guys (fast/big) and went to teams with high potential QBs.
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And you really wanted Pierre Garcon for how much he got paid? Meach for that matter too? No thanks.
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| outside_Insider wrote: | | And you really wanted Pierre Garcon for how much he got paid? Meach for that matter too? No thanks. |
No, I'm not saying that. Just saying those are likely the type of guys that backed out.
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