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ditchdigger 
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 14032 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Onizuka wrote: | | Blaine Gabbert was a top 10 pick, no reason Weeden couldnt have been. |
True. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I hope ours works out better than the Jags'.
| Spectre wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | He has a handful flaws, but we wouldn't have selected him where we did if our coaches didn't believe that they could correct those flaws - or at the very least mitigate them. |
I believe they can correct them, the big question is how quickly. If coaches get in there and are able to correct him right away, then great. If he ends up being a 4 year project QB, we're likely going to be considering a replacement after Year 1 and that's going to be depressing.
Never underestimate a coach's ability to overestimate their ability to fix a player. Tools always get overdrafted. Unfortunately, our tools are 29 years old this year and we can't afford to waste multiple years developing a guy that old. Hopefully they know what they're doing. |
Agreed. Many a coach/GM has lost his job based on that type of arrogance. But as they say, no guts - no glory. |
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mark83
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I dont know if he was as young as them he would be right up there with them in my OPINION. If it wasnt for Barkley going back to school Cleveland could have got RG3 because before he decided RG3 was a Mid 1st round pick, it was the combine that propelled him into #2, dont get me wrong RG3 is a crazy good football player. As far as Brees goes he has double the amount of TDs to Int for his career. 281 TD 146 INT. The bottom line is Cleveland needs a QB, even though I like Colt I don't think he has what it takes to get it done especially in the AFC North. It is the hardest and most physical division in football. Cleveland has needed a QB and when we finally took one all people can do is complain and say we should have picked a 6th round project because he is 21. If you look at the players like RG3 that have come out as of late though they just havent done that well, or won anything. Vince Young was RG3 a couple years back and look at his career, Jamarcus Russell was the same thing but a bigger lazy version. Kyle Boler the list goes on and to a certain extent Michael Vick. _________________
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Estonianzulu 
 Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 19736 Location: Middle of Nowhere VA
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| mark83 wrote: | | it was the combine that propelled him into #2 |
No, he was the #2 overall pick after the regular season ended, pre-bowl game _________________
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mark83
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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If you look at all the mocks before the bowl games and Barkely announcing he would go back to school everyone had us picking RG3 at 4. Even RG3 himself said after the combine that it really helped him out because he killed it. _________________
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Estonianzulu 
 Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 19736 Location: Middle of Nowhere VA
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mark83 wrote: | | If you look at all the mocks before the bowl games and Barkely announcing he would go back to school everyone had us picking RG3 at 4. Even RG3 himself said after the combine that it really helped him out because he killed it. |
Perhaps not at the end of the season like I said, but it was well before the combine that RG3 was considered #2 overall. By the time the combine rolled around trade rumors about St. Louis' pick were already in full force. _________________
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mark83
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes but I think that Barkley going back to school really helped his status, I honestly think that if Barkley came out then he would have been #2 and RG3 #3. Either way we have a QB that is more than capable of getting the ball down field with accuracy something we have not had in Cleveland in a long time. DA could sling it too but man did he have some bad short throws. If Weeden bust than we will be in trouble but if he is as good as advertised then we might have got the steal of the 1st round and we didnt trade away 3 1st and a 2nd round pick. Lets go Browns!!! _________________
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Onizuka
Joined: 10 Dec 2011 Posts: 653 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mark83 wrote: | | I dont know if he was as young as them he would be right up there with them in my OPINION. If it wasnt for Barkley going back to school Cleveland could have got RG3 because before he decided RG3 was a Mid 1st round pick, it was the combine that propelled him into #2, dont get me wrong RG3 is a crazy good football player. As far as Brees goes he has double the amount of TDs to Int for his career. 281 TD 146 INT. The bottom line is Cleveland needs a QB, even though I like Colt I don't think he has what it takes to get it done especially in the AFC North. It is the hardest and most physical division in football. Cleveland has needed a QB and when we finally took one all people can do is complain and say we should have picked a 6th round project because he is 21. If you look at the players like RG3 that have come out as of late though they just havent done that well, or won anything. Vince Young was RG3 a couple years back and look at his career, Jamarcus Russell was the same thing but a bigger lazy version. Kyle Boler the list goes on and to a certain extent Michael Vick. |
I honestly think that most, can't say all, are over the Browns picking Weeden at #22 because of his age. The majority agree that Weeden would be an upgrade over Colt if he can transition to the NFL smoothly, as in not taking so long to pick up the playbook and deal with NFL defenses. Also in regards to my Brees comment, I am in no way saying Brees is not an elite QB...because he is...I was comparing Baylor's and the Saints style of offense and as how both Brees and RG3 usually get a ton of yards per game, but can also throw costly INTs.
The majority of us are excited to see Weeden play and hope that he does well...right now I'm more excited to see TRich play for the Browns. |
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mark83
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah I love the T-Rich pick up. That in it self should help Weeden transition to the NFL. The whole thing about the T-Rich pick is people are starting to say we shouldnt have traded up and this and that, but Heckert has in my mind proven that he knows who and where to pick these players. I know last year when we traded back and we picked up Taylor I was like what and the year we let Clausen "slip" through our fingers and grabbed Ward who I think will have a bounce back year if healthy knows about talent. I love the Browns and want a winner and I think that the browns are on their way as long as they don't get to excited and fire this regime except maybe HC who looks lost and confused we will be alright. I think that if Weeden plays as he is capable of playing then we will surpise some people. I'm glad there is a Browns fan on here that likes a good debate and doesnt get all upset and start talking trash. _________________
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kelbot 
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I get tired of seeing his completion % stats thrown around. Unless the Browns decide to run 15 bubble screens a game, don't expect 70% cmp. _________________ There's always money in the banana stand |
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roger murdock 
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| kelbot wrote: | | I get tired of seeing his completion % stats thrown around. Unless the Browns decide to run 15 bubble screens a game, don't expect 70% cmp. |
True, but he threw the ball downfield a lot more in college than most big 12 offenses do. _________________
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hornbybrown 
Joined: 25 Jan 2008 Posts: 12775 Location: dunedin new zealand
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Thomas5737 wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: |
have you seen his sports science
his accuracy and timing are impeccable |
Yes
And at times it very much is. Its also inconsistent. He overthrows, he underthrows, and he misses open guys. At times, he throws a perfect ball, leading receivers, throwing guys open. But he would go through stretches of bad passes (as young guys often do) |
...If he were young
Most of the flaws mentioned could be used for RGIII or many other QBs coming into the league. Yeah, you get some Peyton Mannings and Andrew Lucks thrown in but not very often.
I am optimistic, but then what choice do we have? |
Andrew Luck has flaws and is not a sure thing. He is as close as you get but not 100% going to be great. _________________
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mark83
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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His completion percentage won't be 70% but if it is 60-63% then we will be in a lot better shape. He is going to be able to push the ball downfield, and with Trent behind him they are going to have to respect that and there might be one on one on the outside with the safety playing closer to the line for run support. Lets give him a chance. _________________
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JCBrowns21 
Joined: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 874 Location: Chi Town
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Brady Quinn is 27
Derek Anderson is 28
Jamarcus Russell is 28
Matt Leinart is 28
Jay Cutler is 29
David Carr is 32
Donovan McNabb is 35
I don't think enough of you are putting into perspective what it means to be a 28-year old rookie. We're asking a LOT out of this guy to come in start and basically be pretty darn good immediately and for the next 5-8 years.
I dont care what he did in college because unlike the other prospects there's no time to develop Weeden. He better be ready to contribute at the pro level from day 1. To me, that's just too risky for a 1st round pick at QB. _________________
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Estonianzulu 
 Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 19736 Location: Middle of Nowhere VA
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| JCBrowns21 wrote: |
I dont care what he did in college because unlike the other prospects there's no time to develop Weeden. He better be ready to contribute at the pro level from day 1. To me, that's just too risky for a 1st round pick at QB. |
This was my concern. Brandon Weeden has to be able to play well, and by well I mean top 20, year one. I'm very worried he wont and if he doesn't this fan base is going to revolt again and force Lerner to start over, again. _________________
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Dawgpoun8017 
Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Posts: 9084 Location: Waterloo,NY
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | JCBrowns21 wrote: |
I dont care what he did in college because unlike the other prospects there's no time to develop Weeden. He better be ready to contribute at the pro level from day 1. To me, that's just too risky for a 1st round pick at QB. |
This was my concern. Brandon Weeden has to be able to play well, and by well I mean top 20, year one. I'm very worried he wont and if he doesn't this fan base is going to revolt again and force Lerner to start over, again. |
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