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Punisher1380


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: 3-4 possibilities Reply with quote

With us drafting Kuechly and him being an ILB and Beason being givin his ILB position. Could we do alittle more 3-4 this year? I know we ran it some last year but i think with our depth now that we could have a good chance at running alittle more 3-4.

Johnson - McClain - Hardy (rotate alexander, keiser, applewhite, edwards, fua)

Davis - Beason - Kuechly - Anderson (rotate senn, phillips, williams, onatolu, applewhite)

i like the idea of a 4-3 on rushing downs and 3-4 on passing downs...

Thoughts???
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:08 pm    Post subject: Passing situations Reply with quote

I think it would be something they would implement on sure passing downs. They don't have the depth or personnel at NT and DE to run it regularly.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can Davis even walk these days?
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we ran a 34 defence it would look more like this.
At least this is what I think.

DE - C. Johnson - G. Hardy
DE - T. McClain - S. Fua
NT - R. Edwards - F. Kearse - J. Shirley

OLB - F. Alexander - T. Keiser
OLB - A. Applewhite - L. Kuechley
ILB - J. Beason - T. Davis
ILB - L. Kuechly - J. Anderson
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

our 3-4 would look like this

DE: Greg Hardy
NT: Ron Edwards, Sione Fua, Frank Kearse
DE: Terrell McClain, Andre Neblett

SLB: Charles Johnson
ILB: Jon Beason/Luke Kuechly
WLB: Antwan Applewhite
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer a 3-4, honestly.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the biggest thing holding us back from a 3-4 standpoint is a NT. Without a good NT, a 3-4 worthless.

If we had to go to a 3-4, here's what I would do with our current roster.

DE - Johnson
NT - Edwards
DE - McClain

OLB - Hardy
ILB - Beason
ILB - Kuechly
OLB - Alexander
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boondock wrote:
I think the biggest thing holding us back from a 3-4 standpoint is a NT. Without a good NT, a 3-4 worthless.

If we had to go to a 3-4, here's what I would do with our current roster.

DE - Johnson
NT - Edwards
DE - McClain

OLB - Hardy
ILB - Beason
ILB - Kuechly
OLB - Alexander


I like Hardy on the outside more than Johnson as well, quicker in space, with CJ being more aggressive on the line. Pressure from the DE in the 3-4 can be devastating for the offense.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure why so many fans are against this. It's dominant in the afc, and clearly is effective with the right personnel. With the nfl converting to so many hybrid players at so many pos, why not create a hybrid def altogether and have a good mixture of 4-3 and 3-4. Who's to say it won't work?
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boondock wrote:
I think the biggest thing holding us back from a 3-4 standpoint is a NT. Without a good NT, a 3-4 worthless.

If we had to go to a 3-4, here's what I would do with our current roster.

DE - Johnson
NT - Edwards
DE - McClain

OLB - Hardy
ILB - Beason
ILB - Kuechly
OLB - Alexander


only thing i dont like about this is no james anderson!
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCSportsGM wrote:
Not sure why so many fans are against this. It's dominant in the afc, and clearly is effective with the right personnel. With the nfl converting to so many hybrid players at so many pos, why not create a hybrid def altogether and have a good mixture of 4-3 and 3-4. Who's to say it won't work?

Nobody is against the 3-4 system itself. We just don't have the right personnel to run it effectively here in Carolina right now. Beason and Johnson would not be nearly as effective in a 3-4 and Anderson would have to be traded. Defensive line is arguably the most vital part in a 3-4 and we don't have anyone on the team, at least proven, that can play any role on that line effectively.

It being more popular nowadays doesn't make it a better system. With the right guys, a 4-3 is maybe more dominant than a 3-4 anyway. Chicago has had a good/great defense for an extremely long time now. New York, when healthy, is stellar defensively. Ravens are pretty much a 4-3 team now or at least run a lot of it. Bengals are a great 4-3 defense.

The type of 4-3 we run is as aggressive as a 3-4 would be and they do a lot of what Johnson did in Philadelphia. Only issue is, like a 3-4, it isn't nearly as effective when your LBs are poor. Beason and Davis out = bad news for us last year. When both of those two were on the field, our defense was doing pretty darn well outside of broken plays in the secondary, mainly due to Pugh.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCSportsGM wrote:
Not sure why so many fans are against this. It's dominant in the afc, and clearly is effective with the right personnel. With the nfl converting to so many hybrid players at so many pos, why not create a hybrid def altogether and have a good mixture of 4-3 and 3-4. Who's to say it won't work?
This is the most important part of your statement. In terms of personnel, we are much closer to having the necessary pieces for the 4-3 than the 3-4. Plus, players we do have would be in suboptimal positions in a 3-4. Running a hybrid is great, which is what we (and most) NFL teams actually do. I'm fine with a bit of 3-4 mixed in with the 4-3 to spice things up. Frankly, we're in Nickel as much as anything anyway, so it's kind of a moot point.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the 3-4, but I really think the 4-3 is getting a bad name for really odd reasons in the modern NFL. While the 3-4 is definitely becoming more common, since 2000, the numbers aren't hugely in favor of one side.

Superbowl Teams Running a 4-3: 15
Superbowl Teams Running a 3-4: 11

Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 4-3: 6
Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 3-4: 7

And you could even argue these numbers are slightly skewed because of the Patriots dynasty. One really isn't superior to the other. It's entirely about personnel.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it will happen as a full time thing. Maybe only a few plays the entire year. Problem is the team drafted Fua and McClain last year and theres still Edwards. That doesn't look like a team that's even thinking about running a 3-4. The Panthers have run a 4-3 for years(not sure if the ever did). It might work but it's never gonna happen. However, IMO the 4-3 is the way to go.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a ton of versatility on the defense and it will take some time to figure out how to use it best. Classifying the Panthers' base formation isn't worth debating, they're a hybrid already.

How can people not expect more 3-4? They ran it last year plenty of times and they've added more versatile talent this year.
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