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Who is the most likely candidate?

Tom Brady

[ 15 ]

Aaron Rodgers

[ 16 ]

Calvin Johnson

[ 12 ]

Rob Gronkowski

[ 13 ]

Ray Lewis

25%

[ 44 ]

Ed Reed

[ 3 ]

Patrick Willis

[ 10 ]

Nick Mangold

[ 0 ]

Darrelle Revis

[ 6 ]

Adrian Peterson

[ 3 ]

AJ Green

[ 1 ]

Tony Gonzalez

12%

[ 21 ]

Jimmy Graham

[ 1 ]

Carl Nicks

[ 0 ]

Peyton Manning

[ 16 ]

Eli Manning

[ 7 ]

Demarcus Ware

[ 2 ]

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mistakebytehlak

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

zacapr22 wrote:

Why not Demarcus Ware? He doesn't have that much of historical competition as a 3-4 OLB, a relatively new growing position.

you know that lawrence taylor dude
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

Jakuvious wrote:

Gonzalez is already there, so I'll say him. Gates peak as a receiver was a bit higher, but he is really going to struggle to match Gonzo's longevity. 6 seasons differ between their careers, and Gonzo has 550 more receptions, 5500 more yards, and 19 more TDs. Gates, I imagine, will break the TD record, but that won't be enough to pass Gonzalez's overall legacy. Gronkowski has a chance, but that won't be for another decade that we could say that. The next closest is who? Winslow? Great, definitely, but almost in the sense that Don Hutson is an all-time great alongside Jerry Rice and Randy Moss. It just really isn't the same.

Lewis is next, because he is probably the greatest ILB of all time, but guys like Butkus, Lanier, Lambert, etc. are really not as far behind. Same for Reed, who at least has to deal with Lott, Polamalu, Krause, Wilson, etc.

Brady and Manning then are really hindered by each other. There will never be an agreed upon GOAT at QB because of those two.

Down the line though, Gronk and Calvin both may reach that status. Virtually unheard of talents.

How is Kellen Winslow playing comparable to Don Hutson? Because no one knew how to cover him? Winslow played right around when Rice did so what's the problem? Laughing

Gates should be in much better shape this season. He was on fire at the end of last season as well.

tonyto3690

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject:

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

tonyto3690 wrote:

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

Why is Gronk even on the list, let alone getting 6 votes? He has played like 2 years...He has a LONG way to go to get to Gonzo's level

This is about where they will end, not where they stand now.

Gronkowski has the tools, QB, and coach to surpass Gonzo. He has already had a better pass catching season than Gonzo ever had, and Gronk is already a much better blocker than Gonzo ever was.

QB? How much longer you think Brady plays?

3-4 years of elite play, 1 or 2 more of decent play.

6-8 years with Brady is enough for...

72-96 TDs
6000-8000 yards
450-600 receptions

Per season that is..
75 REC, 12 TDs, 1000 yards.

In his sophomore season he just posted:
90 REC, 17 TDs, 1350 yards

So that's being fairly conservative.

In 8 years, that would already be more than Gonzo has TDs (95 in 15 seasons) and Gonzo posted 13000 yards in 15 years while only breaking 1K four times. Gronkowski will likely break 1000 every year he has Brady, without much trouble.
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Drew Brees IS the most accurate qb ever

Brees that night:
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Malik

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject:

tonyto3690 wrote:

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

tonyto3690 wrote:

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:

Why is Gronk even on the list, let alone getting 6 votes? He has played like 2 years...He has a LONG way to go to get to Gonzo's level

QB? How much longer you think Brady plays?

Or you know he could get permanently injured and no longer be able to play or suspended or traded or decide to retire premature or just flat out not perform well.

wackywabbit

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject:

tonyto3690 wrote:

Bobikus wrote:

Ray Lewis, who's already the GOAT ILB.

If you read the thread, you'd note that all LBers are under the category of LB.

Ray Lewis would have to do something special to surpass LT.

That's a dumb categorization, (seemingly designed to take votes away from Lewis). Inside Linebackers and Outside Linebackers are as different as safeties and cornerbacks, or tight ends and wide receivers, or guards and centers and tackles, all of which the OP decided to treat as different.

Lewis is the only linebacker to win Super Bowl MVP and win the game. He also has unmatched longevity as an elite player at his position.

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Sciz

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject:

Malik wrote:

Or you know he could get permanently injured and no longer be able to play or suspended or traded or decide to retire premature or just flat out not perform well.

Then we might as well use that argument on every player, in which case there's no point in having this thread because every player now sucks.
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tonyto3690

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject:

Malik wrote:

Or you know he could get permanently injured and no longer be able to play or suspended or traded or decide to retire premature or just flat out not perform well.

Next time I see Belichick, I'll tell him to stop drafting players. Only fools draft. I mean, they could just get permanently injured, or suspended, or decide to retire prematurely, or just flat out not perform well. Why would you waste your resources drafting players when all those things could go wrong?!

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C0LTSFAN4L1F3 wrote:

Drew Brees IS the most accurate qb ever

Brees that night:
28/50, 341 yards, 0 TD, 5 INT.

BassistofDoom

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject:

J Pep 4 Step wrote:

Ray Lewis should have already cemented his status as the greatest ILB of all time. And I think he has a strong argument as the best LB of all time. Stronger than anyone else on that list.

This poll should belong to Lewis imo.

I'd say the debate is always going to be between Ray Lewis and - Butkus with the occasional mention of guys like Chuck Bednarik, Jack Lambert, and Mike Singletary (undeservingly for Singletary). Ray Lewis will never be unarguably the best but he certainly has the best case out of all these guys and you are least likely to be looked at like you're an idiot if you call him the GOAT.
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Jakuvious

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

Jakuvious wrote:

How is Kellen Winslow playing comparable to Don Hutson? Because no one knew how to cover him? Winslow played right around when Rice did so what's the problem? Laughing

Gates should be in much better shape this season. He was on fire at the end of last season as well.

Because the position has changed COMPLETELY since then.
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wackywabbit

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject:

BassistofDoom wrote:

J Pep 4 Step wrote:

Now I obviously haven't seen Butkus play so I can't speak to how dominant he was, but I just can't imagine that he was so much better than Lewis when he played, to offset the fact that Lewis played 7+ more seasons at a high level.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject:

KingofSTATS wrote:

Gronk for all we know can be a 1 year wonder.

27 tds in 2 years shouts "1 year wonder" to you?
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adamq

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject:

Tony G is already the GOAT TE, and a very strong case can be made for Ray Lewis as well. Not sure why they are on there.

Ignoring them, I say Peyton. He's already way up there for me, and if he can lead Denver to some nice playoff runs or a Super Bowl, I might have to put him over Montana.
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Braylon4MVP

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject:

mistakebytehlak wrote:

Tony G already is the GOAT, IMO.

Definitely. This poll shouldn't even be close.
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ConnPatFan

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject:

KingofSTATS wrote:

Gronk for all we know can be a 1 year wonder.

True, in 2010 he did only have the second most TDs of any rookie TE ever

Willink

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject:

tonyto3690 wrote:

Malik wrote:

Or you know he could get permanently injured and no longer be able to play or suspended or traded or decide to retire premature or just flat out not perform well.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=149196
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