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Dawgpoun8017
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | bulldog wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | MarkPrice25 wrote: | Man oh man, if Jordan Cameron becomes a viable starter our offense will have gone through a total overhaul...
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Don't forget RG. |
except for lauvao is still starting.
your hate for him is just remarkable. |
Yea, its great. Considering I did a whole thread showing how both him and Pinkston played last year. Minus all of Lauvoa's penalties, he easily outplayed Pinkston. And just to add to all of that, here's some more.
Peyton Hillis average 3.0 YPC in the A and B gap on the left side. He average 4.39 YPC in the A and B gap on the right side. |
You must have me confused with someone that actually thinks Pinkston is good, I am on record as saying neither are good, I just however feel that Pinkston is not quite as sucky as Lauvao.
I could care less what the geek squad statisticians put on paper, I care about what I see, and who I see performing and who I see under performing.
I said before FA started even that the Browns desperately need 3 new starters on the OLine.
We have our RT hopefully. I like the physical potential of Miller, so I think he deserves a shot to show what he can do.
Both Pinkston and Lauvao have had opportunity to show their wares, and it turned out to be snake oil in both instances. I do feel Pinkston is the better of the 2 on the field, so by default, that leaves Lauvao on the bench, which is the only place he has a shot in the NFL, he really is lucky to be in the league at all. |
Seriously.......? Pinkston was a rookie who by any other means would not have seen the field, but because of Injury the kid was forced into play... and considering the circumstances I think he held his own pretty good. Lav was in his first year as a starter. was he inconsistant hell yes. but you cannot say that they had their shot...... that is complete and utter BS |
These guys play in the NFL, its not on the job training. How many QBs and RBs do you want to get crunched up while these guys TRY to get better. They have shown they can't get it done. If they want to be in a game trying to improve, then let them go to the arena league. |
uhhh yea it is on the job training it is caulled player development. only a very small percentage of players come into this league and are a star let alone superstar. player are going to have struggles, players are going to make mistakes. playing in the NFL is the same as any other job you dont come in and automatcially know it all. you leard asa you go. your expectations of them comming right in and being very good are not rational
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mistakebytehlak
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | duke2056 wrote: | | Rabid, I think they end up trading him for peanuts |
Then you think wrong, simple as that. Colt is staying.
As for you not wanting Weeden, well, sorry about your luck, I told you Months ago to preorder your Cleveland Browns Weeden jersey, you should have listened to me. I just expected it to be a pick later than it was, with our round 2. But I do understand why they pulled the trigger early. |
See, this makes no sense as far as what YOU want.
You wanted the Browns to get Mccoy weapons to see what he has, but you wanted Weeden.......................which is it, cause you can't get both. Weeden is our QB, and there is no competition.
he is clearly better than colt, but not a franchise QB. I dont like taking a non-franchise QB at all in a draft unless a very late project.
Pick 22, for a soon to be 29 year old QB. My lord.
Weeden is a lot better than colt (not saying much), so it will be fun to win more games................but this is simply not the right move if our goal is to eventually get to a super bowl |
They did EXACTLY what I wanted, sured up the OLine, got some weapons and run game that demanded respect, and competition for Colt.
Both of the QBs have the potential to be Franchise guys in the right situation, and a competition could push one of them to that point, which is what I wanted. Shoot if everything falls just right, it could push them both to that level. I wouldn't mind having a Joe Montana/Steve Young situation on the team, I just think if we do one will be traded sooner than SF made the move.
In short, we DID get both, we fixed the line (I think and hope we did), we should have one of the best running games to depend on next year. Our O should be literally 100 times more competent than last year because we can support the QB, whichever it turns out to be. |
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=490273
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mistakebytehlak
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so either:
1) you think that we fixed the line due to the fact that not only Schwartz was drafted to be a starter, but also Ryan Miller- leaving only 80% of the OL not full of "the suck"--- which doesnt make sense because 20% of the suck would be filled with the worst suck x1000 and it would therefore not be fixed--- therefore contradicting yourself
2) you again are talking just to talk and at the time thought that our OL was fixed with only the Schwartz pick [as a starter], and therefore contradicting yourself, as per your recent views on Lauvao.
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Dawgpoun8017
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| Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | you're also the type of person that likes to say ridiculous things- like all the time. by the binomial distribution, you're bound to have one success. then, after all the millions of failures, you like to rub it in that you got one thing right. which, ryan miller being the starting guard, i think is one of those ridiculous things. the FO likes lauvao. |
Mistake I love you buddy ya gotta go easy on me with the math Econoic terms haha. |
if the probability of success for a given trial [i.e. Rabid getting a crazy prediction right] is positive [even if its super small], as n goes to infinity [i.e. the more and more he makes more and more predictions]--- the probability converges to one that he gets at least one success [a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then] |
32 over Pi? |
no... no... no. Pythagorian Therom
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | you're also the type of person that likes to say ridiculous things- like all the time. by the binomial distribution, you're bound to have one success. then, after all the millions of failures, you like to rub it in that you got one thing right. which, ryan miller being the starting guard, i think is one of those ridiculous things. the FO likes lauvao. |
Mistake I love you buddy ya gotta go easy on me with the math Econoic terms haha. |
if the probability of success for a given trial [i.e. Rabid getting a crazy prediction right] is positive [even if its super small], as n goes to infinity [i.e. the more and more he makes more and more predictions]--- the probability converges to one that he gets at least one success [a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then] |
I feel like I am in one of my two calc classes. lol
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RabidDawgs
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | so either:
1) you think that we fixed the line due to the fact that not only Schwartz was drafted to be a starter, but also Ryan Miller- leaving only 80% of the OL not full of "the suck"--- which doesnt make sense because 20% of the suck would be filled with the worst suck x1000 and it would therefore not be fixed--- therefore contradicting yourself
2) you again are talking just to talk and at the time thought that our OL was fixed with only the Schwartz pick [as a starter], and therefore contradicting yourself, as per your recent views on Lauvao. |
Key word, HOPE, and think we did fix the most vital hole we had on it. Not rocket science to understand really.
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RabidDawgs
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| Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | bulldog wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | MarkPrice25 wrote: | Man oh man, if Jordan Cameron becomes a viable starter our offense will have gone through a total overhaul...
New QB
New RB
New RT
New TE |
Don't forget RG. |
except for lauvao is still starting.
your hate for him is just remarkable. |
Yea, its great. Considering I did a whole thread showing how both him and Pinkston played last year. Minus all of Lauvoa's penalties, he easily outplayed Pinkston. And just to add to all of that, here's some more.
Peyton Hillis average 3.0 YPC in the A and B gap on the left side. He average 4.39 YPC in the A and B gap on the right side. |
You must have me confused with someone that actually thinks Pinkston is good, I am on record as saying neither are good, I just however feel that Pinkston is not quite as sucky as Lauvao.
I could care less what the geek squad statisticians put on paper, I care about what I see, and who I see performing and who I see under performing.
I said before FA started even that the Browns desperately need 3 new starters on the OLine.
We have our RT hopefully. I like the physical potential of Miller, so I think he deserves a shot to show what he can do.
Both Pinkston and Lauvao have had opportunity to show their wares, and it turned out to be snake oil in both instances. I do feel Pinkston is the better of the 2 on the field, so by default, that leaves Lauvao on the bench, which is the only place he has a shot in the NFL, he really is lucky to be in the league at all. |
Seriously.......? Pinkston was a rookie who by any other means would not have seen the field, but because of Injury the kid was forced into play... and considering the circumstances I think he held his own pretty good. Lav was in his first year as a starter. was he inconsistant hell yes. but you cannot say that they had their shot...... that is complete and utter BS |
These guys play in the NFL, its not on the job training. How many QBs and RBs do you want to get crunched up while these guys TRY to get better. They have shown they can't get it done. If they want to be in a game trying to improve, then let them go to the arena league. |
uhhh yea it is on the job training it is caulled player development. only a very small percentage of players come into this league and are a star let alone superstar. player are going to have struggles, players are going to make mistakes. playing in the NFL is the same as any other job you dont come in and automatcially know it all. you leard asa you go. your expectations of them comming right in and being very good are not rational |
If you hadn't noticed, we have a very large investment now at QB and RB, 2 round 1 picks, and a trade up. We can't afford to have that investment broken because we are trying to "develop" guys that suck. We need these guys to work out given how much we invested in them.
I don't want to need a RB and QB next year because we didn't protect our investments.
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mistakebytehlak
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | so either:
1) you think that we fixed the line due to the fact that not only Schwartz was drafted to be a starter, but also Ryan Miller- leaving only 80% of the OL not full of "the suck"--- which doesnt make sense because 20% of the suck would be filled with the worst suck x1000 and it would therefore not be fixed--- therefore contradicting yourself
2) you again are talking just to talk and at the time thought that our OL was fixed with only the Schwartz pick [as a starter], and therefore contradicting yourself, as per your recent views on Lauvao. |
Key word, HOPE, and think we did fix the most vital hole we had on it. Not rocket science to understand really. |
no- no key word of any cogent argument can be in parenthesis. man up and stand by your statement without taking a loophole back way out just so you can never be wrong.
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mistakebytehlak
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let me also rephrase that
no- no key word of any cogent argument can be in parenthesis. man up and stand by your statement without taking a loophole back way out just so you can think you're never wrong.
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Hedge your bets bruh
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RabidDawgs
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | let me also rephrase that
no- no key word of any cogent argument can be in parenthesis. man up and stand by your statement without taking a loophole back way out just so you can think you're never wrong. |
It plainly says I hope, and that is exactly what it means, no google translator needed.
I do think RT is fixed, I hope RG is fixed with Miller. I hope Pinkston can improve at LG.
That is the size of it.
As far as the draft goes, I was very satisfied with it, as much suck as we have, it can't be fixed in one year, they spent 2 picks on OLine, one high, I was happy to see them address it, and I was happy with several other aspects of the draft.
It is what it is (I hope)  .
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Dawgpoun8017
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | bulldog wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | MarkPrice25 wrote: | Man oh man, if Jordan Cameron becomes a viable starter our offense will have gone through a total overhaul...
New QB
New RB
New RT
New TE |
Don't forget RG. |
except for lauvao is still starting.
your hate for him is just remarkable. |
Yea, its great. Considering I did a whole thread showing how both him and Pinkston played last year. Minus all of Lauvoa's penalties, he easily outplayed Pinkston. And just to add to all of that, here's some more.
Peyton Hillis average 3.0 YPC in the A and B gap on the left side. He average 4.39 YPC in the A and B gap on the right side. |
You must have me confused with someone that actually thinks Pinkston is good, I am on record as saying neither are good, I just however feel that Pinkston is not quite as sucky as Lauvao.
I could care less what the geek squad statisticians put on paper, I care about what I see, and who I see performing and who I see under performing.
I said before FA started even that the Browns desperately need 3 new starters on the OLine.
We have our RT hopefully. I like the physical potential of Miller, so I think he deserves a shot to show what he can do.
Both Pinkston and Lauvao have had opportunity to show their wares, and it turned out to be snake oil in both instances. I do feel Pinkston is the better of the 2 on the field, so by default, that leaves Lauvao on the bench, which is the only place he has a shot in the NFL, he really is lucky to be in the league at all. |
Seriously.......? Pinkston was a rookie who by any other means would not have seen the field, but because of Injury the kid was forced into play... and considering the circumstances I think he held his own pretty good. Lav was in his first year as a starter. was he inconsistant hell yes. but you cannot say that they had their shot...... that is complete and utter BS |
These guys play in the NFL, its not on the job training. How many QBs and RBs do you want to get crunched up while these guys TRY to get better. They have shown they can't get it done. If they want to be in a game trying to improve, then let them go to the arena league. |
uhhh yea it is on the job training it is caulled player development. only a very small percentage of players come into this league and are a star let alone superstar. player are going to have struggles, players are going to make mistakes. playing in the NFL is the same as any other job you dont come in and automatcially know it all. you leard asa you go. your expectations of them comming right in and being very good are not rational |
If you hadn't noticed, we have a very large investment now at QB and RB, 2 round 1 picks, and a trade up. We can't afford to have that investment broken because we are trying to "develop" guys that suck. We need these guys to work out given how much we invested in them.
I don't want to need a RB and QB next year because we didn't protect our investments. |
Welcome to the nfl where people play before they are ready it happens on every team not just ours we dont have the liberties of saying oh you need to develop some better go stand over there
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mistakebytehlak
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| RabidDawgs wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | let me also rephrase that
no- no key word of any cogent argument can be in parenthesis. man up and stand by your statement without taking a loophole back way out just so you can think you're never wrong. |
It plainly says I hope, and that is exactly what it means, no google translator needed.
I do think RT is fixed, I hope RG is fixed with Miller. I hope Pinkston can improve at LG.
That is the size of it.
As far as the draft goes, I was very satisfied with it, as much suck as we have, it can't be fixed in one year, they spent 2 picks on OLine, one high, I was happy to see them address it, and I was happy with several other aspects of the draft.
It is what it is (I hope) . |
plz tell me you're trolling for serious. you have to be.
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | RabidDawgs wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | let me also rephrase that
no- no key word of any cogent argument can be in parenthesis. man up and stand by your statement without taking a loophole back way out just so you can think you're never wrong. |
It plainly says I hope, and that is exactly what it means, no google translator needed.
I do think RT is fixed, I hope RG is fixed with Miller. I hope Pinkston can improve at LG.
That is the size of it.
As far as the draft goes, I was very satisfied with it, as much suck as we have, it can't be fixed in one year, they spent 2 picks on OLine, one high, I was happy to see them address it, and I was happy with several other aspects of the draft.
It is what it is (I hope) . |
plz tell me you're trolling for serious. you have to be. |
By using the word hope he's not taking a definitive stance on anything.
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Just about any meaningful contribution would be a "big leap".
I think it's unrealistic to put him in Jimmy Graham's class, however.
Graham made an impact for NO almost immediately.
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