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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: Re: chris williams moving back to tackle |
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| ta wrote: | http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7937634/sources-chicago-bears-move-chris-williams-tackle
not a major surprise. at least they are making this move now and not half way through training camp. |
Though I expect to see Webb come to TC atop the depth chart I will be curious to see whether he is able to hold off Williams. I don't think that's any foregone conclusion even with Webb being "Tice's guy".
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ChicagoAl
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:00 am Post subject: Re: chris williams moving back to tackle |
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| ta wrote: | http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7937634/sources-chicago-bears-move-chris-williams-tackle
not a major surprise. at least they are making this move now and not half way through training camp. |
He is listed as a T one the roster on the NFL Bears site and as G/T on the team's official site.
It is unlikely that he will start at LT in spite of the hopes of many. |
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| I hope this isn't an indication that Gabe Carimi's recovery isn't where it should be. |
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: Re: chris williams moving back to tackle |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | ta wrote: | http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7937634/sources-chicago-bears-move-chris-williams-tackle
not a major surprise. at least they are making this move now and not half way through training camp. |
He is listed as a T one the roster on the NFL Bears site and as G/T on the team's official site.
It is unlikely that he will start at LT in spite of the hopes of many. |
I personally don't care who starts so long as they're the guy who has earned the job. We have who we have at this point but we have to get the best player on the field from the available guys.
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ChiCity
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: |
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This is the best move of a few bad options and indicates that the Oline situation is worse than we hoped.
If Emery believed that our oline was going to be fine w/ Gabe and Webb, he wouldnt have drafted or signed an OT. He didnt so I believe he thought we were fine and worst case he could move Williams to OT. If he thought we were in trouble he would have drafted an OT in rounds 4-7 or earlier.
What this tells me is that the OL worst case happened and now they are moving to plan B. Either Webb isnt working out well or Gabe isnt healthy. Its got to be one of the two, because otherwise Emery would have (or should have) addressed this earlier.
The good news is Williams can play tackle and has the tools to do so. We will have to see how he develops but hopefully the 3 guys plus the rookie we brought in will give us a chance this season at tackle. |
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| ChiCity wrote: |
What this tells me is that the OL worst case happened and now they are moving to plan B. Either Webb isnt working out well or Gabe isnt healthy. Its got to be one of the two, because otherwise Emery would have (or should have) addressed this earlier.
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That is some god awful speculation. He wants competition at every position, Webb's best competition is CW. We know CW, Louis, and Spencer can compete at guard. And Webb/CW can compete at LT. What this is doing is ensuring that, aside from Garza and Carimi, that 3 of the 5 positions aren't set in stone.
The rookie tackle is nowhere near ready for 2012. Rachel is there as a backup. If CW beats out Webb, Webb goes to swing tackle and Spencer/Louis are the guards. If Webb beats out CW, then CW/Spencer/Louis compete for guard.
Mine's speculation too, but it's better since it's mine |
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| raq11 wrote: | | ChiCity wrote: |
What this tells me is that the OL worst case happened and now they are moving to plan B. Either Webb isnt working out well or Gabe isnt healthy. Its got to be one of the two, because otherwise Emery would have (or should have) addressed this earlier.
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That is some god awful speculation. He wants competition at every position, Webb's best competition is CW. We know CW, Louis, and Spencer can compete at guard. And Webb/CW can compete at LT. What this is doing is ensuring that, aside from Garza and Carimi, that 3 of the 5 positions aren't set in stone.
The rookie tackle is nowhere near ready for 2012. Rachel is there as a backup. If CW beats out Webb, Webb goes to swing tackle and Spencer/Louis are the guards. If Webb beats out CW, then CW/Spencer/Louis compete for guard.
Mine's speculation too, but it's better since it's mine |
The only way the former scenario would make sense would be that if AFTER the draft either Carimi was found to be busted or Webb was found to be not capable of playing OLT. Highly unlikely on Webb, but possible on Carimi. Given Williams history of being moved from one position to antoher, it's more likely that they don't think he's an adequate OG either and are hoping to give him a shot at a position that he was more suited for coming out of college. At this rate, he'll be practicing long snaps to at least grab that special teams Oline slot. |
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This is the perfect move to make at this point. Williams already knows the protections. He's at worst a 4 position backup which is very valuable. I think he was better at LT then Webb has been but with the injuries and Tice stressing continuity, I think Webb gets the job even if Williams looks slightly better.
The interior should be a strength again with Garza and Spencer. Louis looked good as well at OG in his limited time starting. I'm fine with those 3 guys.
Carimi's going to be handed the RT job.
What happens at OT should be interesting. |
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Carimi will be ready to go and I think its reckless reporting to suggest otherwise......If there was any concern about his recovery, we would have absolutely added another T this offseason
.........I just hope one of the two (CW & Webb) steps up enough so that Carimi doesn't have to play the left side 
I believe CW will win out and be the week one starter because it's a contract year for him......he has had some injuries but im cautiously optimistic moving forward because until this last wrist injury he made it through 20 starts. |
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This move makes sense. Webb has not shown the ability to consistently shut down opposing teams' best pass rushers. He needs someone to push him and there's no better candidate on the squad right now than CW. Plus if you look at the guard position there seems to be an abundance of players who could play at any of those two spots along the interior; Louis, Spencer, E Williams, Rachal and maybe James Brown.
Not to mention Garza who has played guard for the majority of his NFL career. You'd also have to think Spencer would fill in at center in a pinch if anything were to happen to Garza. Just handing the job to Webb again this year would be foolish. He has to go out there and prove he's the right man for the job. May the best man win.
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| SLCbear wrote: | Carimi will be ready to go and I think its reckless reporting to suggest otherwise......If there was any concern about his recovery, we would have absolutely added another T this offseason
.........I just hope one of the two (CW & Webb) steps up enough so that Carimi doesn't have to play the left side
I believe CW will win out and be the week one starter because it's a contract year for him......he has had some injuries but im cautiously optimistic moving forward because until this last wrist injury he made it through 20 starts. |
We need to see if Carimi can play RT before we consider him a LT. |
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ChicagoAl
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| ChiCity wrote: | This is the best move of a few bad options and indicates that the Oline situation is worse than we hoped.
If Emery believed that our oline was going to be fine w/ Gabe and Webb, he wouldnt have drafted or signed an OT. He didnt so I believe he thought we were fine and worst case he could move Williams to OT. If he thought we were in trouble he would have drafted an OT in rounds 4-7 or earlier.
What this tells me is that the OL worst case happened and now they are moving to plan B. Either Webb isnt working out well or Gabe isnt healthy. Its got to be one of the two, because otherwise Emery would have (or should have) addressed this earlier.
The good news is Williams can play tackle and has the tools to do so. We will have to see how he develops but hopefully the 3 guys plus the rookie we brought in will give us a chance this season at tackle. |
There has been nothing that has happened to have changed Emery's mind about our line. Unless bad medical news has been received about Carimi which I doubt. |
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ChicagoAl
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| topwop1 wrote: | This move makes sense. Webb has not shown the ability to consistently shut down opposing teams' best pass rushers. He needs someone to push him and there's no better candidate on the squad right now than CW. Plus if you look at the guard position there seems to be an abundance of players who could play at any of those two spots along the interior; Louis, Spencer, E Williams, Rachal and maybe James Brown.
Not to mention Garza who has played guard for the majority of his NFL career. You'd also have to think Spencer would fill in at center in a pinch if anything were to happen to Garza. Just handing the job to Webb again this year would be foolish. He has to go out there and prove he's the right man for the job. May the best man win. |
Half of Webb's sacks came in two games and we don't have anyone who could have handled Allen anyway (no one can much). Webb's "inconsistency" is largely overrated. The move of Williams to tackle is most likely the result of picking up two more players: Rachel and Brown, who are best suited at guard where, as you noted, we were already fairly well stocked. |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | The move of Williams to tackle is most likely the result of picking up two more players: Rachel and Brown, who are best suited at guard where, as you noted, we were already fairly well stocked. |
I believe that to be the reason as well Al...with Spencer, Rachel, Brown and Louis at G we have plenty of competition, but at T we really only had Webb and Carimi. This will not only push Webb to be better (and maybe Carimi too) but it adds competition and depth to the position by giving Williams OT reps in practice.
I'm not as high on Webb as you are Al, but I see your reasoning...and this will help us all tell if Webb is the answer or not...he's getting competition from a first round LT now...this is a good thing.
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