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ThorntonMelon
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: Brandon Weeden |
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I was curious about how good Brandon Weeden is as I didnt see him much in college so I started watching his youtube cut ups. For those not familiar, youtube has many game videos of prospects that show, in the case of a QB, every passing play in a game, good or bad. It is much more useful than watching a highlight reel.
Anyway, more than any other top QB I can remember watching, Weeden seems to lock onto WRs and seems almost incapable of going through progressions. For example, watch his passing plays against Texas last season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsevlHpqatI
Watch Weeden's head when he gets the ball. On every play other than 3 in the entire game, Weeden only looks at one target before delivering the ball. When he does have to look at a secondary target, because his primary is blanketed, he makes bad decisions. At 2:05 he throws a near pick after having to go to his secondary target. And at 6:06 he takes a bad sack after having to go to his secondary target.
And this pattern is consistent in all of the games that I have watched. Watch him against Iowa St.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsevlHpqatI
Again. On almost every play he looks at 1 target and then fires. When he has to look at a second target the results are bad.
at 0:01 low throw resulting in INC.
at 0:58 bad incomplete
at 1:10 interception throwing to a blanketed WR.
I know that Weeden played in a simple, one-read offense that tried to get one man open and have the QB look at primary target first and foremost. So its not like Weeden was asked to read coverages. But if he wasnt ever successful finding the open man among several targets, because he was never asked to, why would the Browns think he will be successful doing it at the pro level? |
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jrry32
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. _________________
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kethnaab 
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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there's a reason they're 68-140 since they were 'reborn' in 1999. Mind-numbingly horrible draft decisions like this are near the top of the list. _________________
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DawgSoldier 
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: Medina OH
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. _________________ The Dawgpounds new three headed monster!
Adopt a Brown: QB Brandon Weeden
247/433 57% 2820yds 6.5avg 13 TD 15 Int |
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jrry32
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. _________________
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candyman93 
Joined: 02 Dec 2009 Posts: 34803 Location: Adopt a Brownie 2012: TJ Ward
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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There probably isn't one guy whose ever played QB,, HS, College or the Pros that didn't have a bad game. Texas was Weedens. Doesn't sound like a sound way of looking at anyone.
He has anticipation , and can lead a receiver. He is able to make a throw before the receiver makes his break. He is accurate _________________
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DawgSoldier 
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: Medina OH
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. |
I see an uninformed poster. the guy threw into tight windows and made ALL the NFL throws. You say he stared down targets, I say so that is correctable and coachable flaw. _________________ The Dawgpounds new three headed monster!
Adopt a Brown: QB Brandon Weeden
247/433 57% 2820yds 6.5avg 13 TD 15 Int |
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jrry32
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. |
I see an uninformed poster. the guy threw into tight windows and made ALL the NFL throws. You say he stared down targets, I say so that is correctable and coachable flaw. |
Ah...so are you looking at yourself? Because you're certainly not looking at me. I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are.
Threw into tight windows?  _________________
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DawgSoldier 
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: Medina OH
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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google "weeden throwing into tight windows" and you'll see tons that are more informed than you.
/end peeing contest  _________________ The Dawgpounds new three headed monster!
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candyman93 
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are |
Due to your 24/7 coverage of every game right? _________________
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jrry32
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | google "weeden throwing into tight windows" and you'll see tons that are more informed than you.
/end peeing contest  |
Google "watch football games" and you'll see what you're supposed to do...rather than rely on the opinions of others. _________________
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jrry32
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| candyman93 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are |
Due to your 24/7 coverage of every game right? |
Yep. I actually make an effort to watch players play rather than make assumptions based on internet scouting reports.
But hey, really surprising that Browns fans are defending this pick. _________________
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candyman93 
Joined: 02 Dec 2009 Posts: 34803 Location: Adopt a Brownie 2012: TJ Ward
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | candyman93 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are |
Due to your 24/7 coverage of every game right? |
Yep. I actually make an effort to watch players play rather than make assumptions based on internet scouting reports.
But hey, really surprising that Browns fans are defending this pick. |
I'm not defending the pick at all. I think he will be a bust just like your boy bradford
I just you're completely full of crap when you say watch a bunch of players every single game. _________________
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DawgSoldier 
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: Medina OH
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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My wife is from OKC and my in laws and I talk Cowboys football all the time as they are big fans. So ya I am pretty informed on the cowboys football.
try again, and oh i do draft write ups for a browns fan web site. google my screen name to find the site since there isn't any linking oh sites. _________________ The Dawgpounds new three headed monster!
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roger murdock 
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody is close to being polished by the time they get to the NFL (except Luck). Weeden has a beautiful arm and is smart and accurate. _________________
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