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 Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject: Okafor & Jeffcoat vs. Werner & Jenkins |
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Which school has the second best DE prospect duo after LSU's Montgomery and Mingo?
Texas- Alex Okafor and Jackson Jeffcoat
Florida State- Bjoern Werner and Brandon Jenkins
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JammerHammer21
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| Alex Okafor and Jeffcoat are scarier pass rushers than Werner and I like both better then Jenkins. Werner is just so good though. But I'd rank them Okafor, Werner, Jeffcoat, Jenkins. So Texas. |
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jrry32
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Texas but if you go to trios, FSU beats out LSU and Texas.
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If Jenkins plays like he did in 2010, he's the best player out of this group, no questions asked. I have no clue why he decided to put on 15 pounds last year.
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green24
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LSU>>>>>>>>>>>>>Texas>>>FSU
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Duffman57
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| rabbisson wrote: | | If Jenkins plays like he did in 2010, he's the best player out of this group, no questions asked. I have no clue why he decided to put on 15 pounds last year. |
I just dont see anything in Jenkins that makes him any good. There wasn't any plays that i saw even from 2010 that made him look like a great pass rusher.
Once an OT gets his hands on Jenkins, he's done, no hand movement at all.
Even though he added the 15 lbs, he still only has an average anchor and plays the run decently, and is clearly holding too much weight to do much as a pass rusher. Even when he was at 240-245, he only had solid burst off the snap, just above average there. No handwork and basically only a mediocre spin move and he's easily washed out running the arch. Doesn't look capable of playing out of a 2 pt stance, at least this past year he didn't. Only sack where i just said "wow" and thought that he just dominated on that one play was vs. Costanzo where Costanzo got tall, Jenkins recognized that and got under him and drove him into the QB and got the sack. Lots of the QB holding the ball too long/scrambling, horrible OT play (literally just letting him jog around the OT, giving no resistance, one where Costanzo missed a cut block) and coverage sacks. I would hesitate picking him in the first 2 to 3 rounds honestly. Hes basically living off that big sack total last year, and his play really doesn't deserve those numbers.
I really dont think that he's even going to be the 2nd FSU DE taken, let alone the first off the board. Carradine and Werner are both much more appealing options IMO, Carradine will be the JPP of this year's class, and fittingly enough, Brandon Jenkins will be George Selvie. Book it.
I like Okafor the most out of this group. Jeffcoat seems to be the most overrated by me (other than Jenkins). He's one of those players thats going to be an extremely solid player, but never one that will be a star #1 pass rusher. He's real physical for how lanky he is, comes out of a 2 pt stance and holds his ground really well, has an extremely good motor, and has a solid burst, with sound technique. But he just doesn't ahve that explosive quality to his game. I seem to be the only one that says this, and i've only watched a few games on them, but it seems to me Okafor is much better of an athlete and much more physical and dynamic as a pass rusher than Jeffcoat, who's hype carried over from HS, proceeds his play IMO.
I take Texas in this case, just IMO better football players over everything.
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jrry32
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | I really dont think that he's even going to be the 2nd FSU DE taken, let alone the first off the board. Carradine and Werner are both much more appealing options IMO, Carradine will be the JPP of this year's class, and fittingly enough, Brandon Jenkins will be George Selvie. Book it. |
I think it might be in FSU's best interest if they have Jenkins lose some weight and use him like an Osi for NYG while Carradine plays the JPP role and Werner the Tuck role. Basically, sub Jenkins in on passing downs with Werner moving inside and play Carradine as a 3 down DE. Carradine's body type reminds me of Aldon Smith and he has an explosive element to his game.
| Quote: | | I like Okafor the most out of this group. Jeffcoat seems to be the most overrated by me (other than Jenkins). He's one of those players thats going to be an extremely solid player, but never one that will be a star #1 pass rusher. He's real physical for how lanky he is, comes out of a 2 pt stance and holds his ground really well, has an extremely good motor, and has a solid burst, with sound technique. But he just doesn't ahve that explosive quality to his game. I seem to be the only one that says this, and i've only watched a few games on them, but it seems to me Okafor is much better of an athlete and much more physical and dynamic as a pass rusher than Jeffcoat, who's hype carried over from HS, proceeds his play IMO. |
I have Jackson Jeffcoat rated over Okafor right now. I think Jeffcoat has a great body for the position. He's really long in the legs and arms. He still has some filling out to do but has an all around element to his game. My biggest issue with him right now is that his punch is really lackluster. I want to see that improve.
Okafor is talented in his own right, I'd say my biggest issue with him right now is that he's so inconsistent at getting off the ball. At times, he's embarrassingly slow off the snap.
Personally, I have Jeffcoat higher because I think he has more upside.
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Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
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JammerHammer21
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
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Duffman57
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far...
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nicfre2011
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far... |
Good points guys. I guess maybe if Carradine is able to put up close to 10 sacks and completely blow-up the combine maybe more of a 15-25 pick prospect? |
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ngo1125
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far... |
JPP was a one and done at USF. Still mad FSU couldn't get him. |
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nicfre2011
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| ngo1125 wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far... |
JPP was a one and done at USF. Still mad FSU couldn't get him. |
ngo, what is your take on Carradine? With alot of the draft eligible college defensive ends more than likely projecting best as NFL 3-4 OLBs, I am wondering if someone like Carradine could end up holding alot of projectable value to a 4-3 team. |
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jrry32
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | | ngo1125 wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far... |
JPP was a one and done at USF. Still mad FSU couldn't get him. |
ngo, what is your take on Carradine? With alot of the draft eligible college defensive ends more than likely projecting best as NFL 3-4 OLBs, I am wondering if someone like Carradine could end up holding alot of projectable value to a 4-3 team. |
I think he definitely could.
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ngo1125
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | | ngo1125 wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | Duff/jrry,
Thanks for mentioning Carradine. I am going to watch him closely this upcoming college season. Do you guys think he has the potential to be a top 15 pick? |
It'd take a lot. He's good, but I'm sure there will be a ton of rotating with Werner, Carradine, Jenkins, and Edwards. |
Yeah, pretty much this, it'd take a 10+ sack year for him to got top 15, but you never know since JPP did the same thing in college, was invisible his first year, and just DOMINATED his 2nd year, and left for the NFL. He's that type of athlete though, so it may not take as much as we think to bump him up that far... |
JPP was a one and done at USF. Still mad FSU couldn't get him. |
ngo, what is your take on Carradine? With alot of the draft eligible college defensive ends more than likely projecting best as NFL 3-4 OLBs, I am wondering if someone like Carradine could end up holding alot of projectable value to a 4-3 team. |
I see him best suited as a 4-3 DE in NFL. Don't really remember seeing the coaches asking him to drop back in coverage like they did with Jenkins. Right now, see him as a 2nd to 3rd round pick. With a good year though, could sneak into the first cause the measurables are all there. |
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