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Chiefer

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:18 am Post subject:

Duffman57 wrote:

DontTazeMeBro wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up.

And other pass rushers like Sam Montgomery and Brandon Jenkins have explosion while also having strength and technique.

LOL Brandon Jenkins is awful. Dude cant get off a block to save his freaking life...

The thing that nobody matches Mingo in is hand USE, motor and athleticism/burst. Mingo hand fights more aggressively than anyone i've ever seen, really overuses his hands. But the big thing is that for Mingo, every issue that he has CAN BE TAUGHT, and he's a guy who's got a great work ethic so its only a mater of time till he fulfills that potential. He's skinny but hes got the work ethic and frame to add a whole lot of weight with those long limbs, and he's gonna need to add another 10 lbs at least.

You're really underrating Mingo's anchor, its at the same level as Montgomery.

So Does he got Tamba Hali hands?
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DontTazeMeBro

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:58 am Post subject:

Duffman57 wrote:

LOL Brandon Jenkins is awful. Dude cant get off a block to save his freaking life...

I thought that after his sophomore year. He really impressed me with his hand use against Oday Aboushi who is probably the top senior tackle in next years draft.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:00 am Post subject:

DontTazeMeBro wrote:

Duffman57 wrote:

LOL Brandon Jenkins is awful. Dude cant get off a block to save his freaking life...

I thought that after his sophomore year. He really impressed me with his hand use against Oday Aboushi who is probably the top senior tackle in next years draft.

Yeah, i have to watch more 2011 games, but from what i saw, i wasn't impressed...he's gotta lot of making up ground to do, since i saw no pass rush potential from him this past year. He just makes me think of George Selvie.
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nicfre2011

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:40 am Post subject:

Do you guys think with all of the holes in Jenkins' game that he will likely end up getting lost in the mix with overall depth at the 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE projection?

I mean we could be looking at a tremendous draft at the 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE positions (to name a few, and in no particular order) :

William Gholston (Junior)
Barkevious Mingo (Junior)
Jarvis Jones (Junior)
Cornelius Carradine
Alex Okafor
Dion Jordan
Wes Horton
Jackson Jeffcoat
Devin Taylor

Anonymous3

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

willy_law wrote:

Mingo needs time to be polished but like has been said his upside is beyond scary. If he gets paired up on a bad team with a good pass rusher like the Vikings, and he could learn and be polished, he will be an all star for yrsto come

I still have trouble figuring out where I like him more, I feel his a little more limited in the 4-3 than in the 3-4.

3-4 or 4-3 for Mingo?

His speed in a 3-4 would be terrifying. His closing speed jaw dropping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNp3mHsU3kI

5:52. Unbelievable.

Sometimes I feel like Mingo is playing like a junior high kid out there. Watch his bull-rush...or dip..or whatever you want to call what he tried to do at 1:20 in that video. He's either on it and dominating, or he's completely irrelevant.
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nicfre2011

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject:

Anonymous3 wrote:

JammerHammer21 wrote:

willy_law wrote:

His speed in a 3-4 would be terrifying. His closing speed jaw dropping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNp3mHsU3kI

5:52. Unbelievable.

At this point in time it seems like Mingo largely relies on his explosiveness and quickness and is very tentative in his pass rush moves as you mentioned. It also looks like he is indecisive, which I would say is due to his relative inexperience. Alot of potential there, that is for sure.

jrry32

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject:

nicfre2011 wrote:

It really is a strong class. That's not even mentioning guys like Sam Montgomery, Damontre Moore, Sean Porter, Rosey Nix, Chase Thomas, Corey Lemonier, Michael Buchanan, John Simon, Bjoern Werner, James Gayle and whoever Alabama has waiting in the wings.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject:

jrry32 wrote:

nicfre2011 wrote:

LOL Yeah, I completely forgot to mention Montgomery, Lemonier...and you have some other very good names to add to the list. Gayle is a good name to keep in mind, I think he has a chance to really move up boards.

Edit : I need to look into Damontre Moore a little bit further.

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Chiefer

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject:

I personally view William Gholston as more of a 34 DE...
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nicfre2011

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject:

Chiefer wrote:

I personally view William Gholston as more of a 34 DE...

He could be a Calais Campbell type of 3-4 DE, but I think he has the skill set to be an impact 4-3 DE and if he takes the next step during his junior year I could see him going top 5. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if a team like Cleveland (nice pairing opposite Jabaal Sheard) or Jacksonville selected him as a 4-3 DE.

jrry32

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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject:

Chiefer wrote:

I personally view William Gholston as more of a 34 DE...

I think he could potentially play either depending on his weight but I'd say his best fit is as a 4-3 DE...like Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap.
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kethnaab

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:54 am Post subject:

jrry32 wrote:

TheVillain112 wrote:

jrry32 wrote:

Yea, I mean I could see Bruce Irvin although I think Jones is stronger and uses his hands better...I see Von Miller but understand if not everyone sees it. Just not getting Lewis.

I think what really makes me like Jones is that he's a complete player and a great pass rusher, it's rare to find those type of guys at OLB.

Wouldn't say Von Miller either, although that's a closer comparison. If he had Mingo's explosion then exactly yes...

Upon further review, you're right jrry. He's very much like Von Miller. Just doesn't have the same bend, but everything else is there...

Yep. This should be an interesting year. I think this has the makings of a deep draft. Depends on who comes out though. I'll tell you, this draft is very heavy on 3-4 OLBs.

and with James Harrison at the end of his career, and Jason Worilds being made of soft plastic, it couldn't come at a better time.
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