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DontTazeMeBro
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I don't see the Mingo hype. He's too skinny, not that strong, and not even a good tackler. Lost count of how many times I've seen him dive at the runner and not even come close. I go wow watching him explode into the backfield. But that's it.
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Mingos got the hype right now but I think Jarvis jones is gunna kill it this year.
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I think it will still be a close race, and a very
Debatable topic all the way up to draft time espically
If Mingo puts on 15- 20 pounds |
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| TheVillain112 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | Yea, I mean I could see Bruce Irvin although I think Jones is stronger and uses his hands better...I see Von Miller but understand if not everyone sees it. Just not getting Lewis.
I think what really makes me like Jones is that he's a complete player and a great pass rusher, it's rare to find those type of guys at OLB. |
Wouldn't say Von Miller either, although that's a closer comparison. If he had Mingo's explosion then exactly yes... |
Upon further review, you're right jrry. He's very much like Von Miller. Just doesn't have the same bend, but everything else is there...
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| TheVillain112 wrote: | | TheVillain112 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | Yea, I mean I could see Bruce Irvin although I think Jones is stronger and uses his hands better...I see Von Miller but understand if not everyone sees it. Just not getting Lewis.
I think what really makes me like Jones is that he's a complete player and a great pass rusher, it's rare to find those type of guys at OLB. |
Wouldn't say Von Miller either, although that's a closer comparison. If he had Mingo's explosion then exactly yes... |
Upon further review, you're right jrry. He's very much like Von Miller. Just doesn't have the same bend, but everything else is there... |
Yep. This should be an interesting year. I think this has the makings of a deep draft. Depends on who comes out though. I'll tell you, this draft is very heavy on 3-4 OLBs.
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| jrry32 wrote: | | Oregon Ducks wrote: | Does Mingo have any pass rush moves at all?
Quote me, Dion Jordan will be picked ahead of these guys. |
Ok. I'll remember. |
On this forum, no one will forget lol
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | I don't see the Mingo hype. He's too skinny, not that strong, and not even a good tackler. Lost count of how many times I've seen him dive at the runner and not even come close. I go wow watching him explode into the backfield. But that's it. |
Better explosion than Jones and any other pass rusher puts him at the top. He was a pass rush specialist last year, and his frame is big. He can grow. |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | I don't see the Mingo hype. He's too skinny, not that strong, and not even a good tackler. Lost count of how many times I've seen him dive at the runner and not even come close. I go wow watching him explode into the backfield. But that's it. |
Better explosion than Jones and any other pass rusher puts him at the top. He was a pass rush specialist last year, and his frame is big. He can grow. |
I don't know that much about frames and growth potential. But this just looks skinny.
And even if he is the most explosive, which I'm not sure about, there is a lot more to it than that. Explosion alone doesn't make you the top pass rusher.
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | I don't see the Mingo hype. He's too skinny, not that strong, and not even a good tackler. Lost count of how many times I've seen him dive at the runner and not even come close. I go wow watching him explode into the backfield. But that's it. |
Better explosion than Jones and any other pass rusher puts him at the top. He was a pass rush specialist last year, and his frame is big. He can grow. |
I don't know that much about frames and growth potential. But this just looks skinny.
And even if he is the most explosive, which I'm not sure about, there is a lot more to it than that. Explosion alone doesn't make you the top pass rusher. |
If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: |
If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up. |
And other pass rushers like Sam Montgomery and Brandon Jenkins have explosion while also having strength and technique.
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Mingo = Perennial All-Pro Potential in the NFL because of his natural athleticism and explosion. Could be a monster in the NFL that threatens sack records for whatever team he goes to. Technique could take him over the top. Knock on him is his size and previous prospects like Mingo have a high-bust rate.
Jones = Consistent Player w/ multiple 8-10 sack seasons, may come close to a few 12-15 sack seasons. More of a well-rounded player who relies on technique to be effective in all assets of the game. Polished product.
That's kind of the consensus opinion (or similar to it) on each player right?
I'll take Jarvis Jones as of now. If Mingo establishes himself in the run department and shows himself as a coachable prospect, then its hard not to choose him based off his god-given talent.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: |
If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up. |
And other pass rushers like Sam Montgomery and Brandon Jenkins have explosion while also having strength and technique. |
Nobody has Mingo's explosion. Dude is just a hunter. You're being overly harsh on him. Maybe he's not refined, but he'll improve quickly. |
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IMO:
Jarvis Jones - Slightly less athletic Von Miller
Barkevious Mingo - Jevon Kearse
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| DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: |
If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up. |
And other pass rushers like Sam Montgomery and Brandon Jenkins have explosion while also having strength and technique. |
LOL Brandon Jenkins is awful. Dude cant get off a block to save his freaking life...
The thing that nobody matches Mingo in is hand USE, motor and athleticism/burst. Mingo hand fights more aggressively than anyone i've ever seen, really overuses his hands. But the big thing is that for Mingo, every issue that he has CAN BE TAUGHT, and he's a guy who's got a great work ethic so its only a mater of time till he fulfills that potential. He's skinny but hes got the work ethic and frame to add a whole lot of weight with those long limbs, and he's gonna need to add another 10 lbs at least.
You're really underrating Mingo's anchor, its at the same level as Montgomery.
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | DontTazeMeBro wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: |
If you don't have some sort of explosion, you generally won't be very good at rushing the passer. Sure he's skinny, but he's making SEC talents look silly and that was as sophomore backup. If you gave me a choice of technique or explosion, give me explosion. You can't teach that. Technique can be learned and Mingo will start to pick that up. |
And other pass rushers like Sam Montgomery and Brandon Jenkins have explosion while also having strength and technique. |
LOL Brandon Jenkins is awful. Dude cant get off a block to save his freaking life...
The thing that nobody matches Mingo in is hand USE, motor and athleticism/burst. Mingo hand fights more aggressively than anyone i've ever seen, really overuses his hands. But the big thing is that for Mingo, every issue that he has CAN BE TAUGHT, and he's a guy who's got a great work ethic so its only a mater of time till he fulfills that potential. He's skinny but hes got the work ethic and frame to add a whole lot of weight with those long limbs, and he's gonna need to add another 10 lbs at least.
You're really underrating Mingo's anchor, its at the same level as Montgomery. |
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