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Pryor was a pretty successful QB at the college level. Both in terms of winning games and putting up good numbers. He also came from a more pro style offense then a lot of the QBs that were drafted in the past few years. Not to say that there wernt some spread principles in there for him but he took snaps from under center and actually had to make progressions.
I also hate when people think they can judge someones intelligence by how they speak. Some people get nervous in front of cameras in terms of interviews and they can sound less intelligent then they actually are. Some people just arent a master of words but dont lack the ability to get what is being told to them.
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted.
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
Kubiak didn't have to say anything. There was a reason Leinart stayed w/ Houston and didn't leave to join his old coach in Seattle last offseason. Kubiak and Co. liked him a lot and had a ton of faith in him. Said as much when Shaub was 100% and starting.
So the praise for him was there long before in Houston. Regardless, just hate on. We all know your bias in regards to the QB position. We will just leave it at that.
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
This was not a quote. This was Peter King's assessment from his conversations with Kubiak. That's the difference. Admittedly, some writers you can trust and some you can't. Writers for a national media outlet SHOULD have a ethical standard to meet whereas anyone associated with the team doesn't. I personally never roasted a neutral comment such as "showing signs of improvement".
My point was why such much hyperbole over a QB that we SHOULD be hoping never sees a snap? and isn't it odd that we're the only fan base focusing so much attention on a 3rd stringer?
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
This was not a quote. This was Peter King's assessment from his conversations with Kubiak. That's the difference. Admittedly, some writers you can trust and some you can't. Writers for a national media outlet SHOULD have a ethical standard to meet whereas anyone associated with the team doesn't. I personally never roasted a neutral comment such as "showing signs of improvement".
My point was why such much hyperbole over a QB that we SHOULD be hoping never sees a snap? and isn't it odd that we're the only fan base focusing so much attention on a 3rd stringer? |
Because that "third stringer" is Terrelle Pryor. If another team took him last year, they'd be just as interested in him as our fans are. It shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around. When you have a rookie qb as highly touted, and with as much potential as tp there's going to be some interest. Don't pretend he's just some typical 3rd string qb that's going nowhere, has no room to grow and is just taking up a roster space. They can POTENTIALLY be our future franchise qb, so it's cool to know his progression.
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| big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
Kubiak didn't have to say anything. There was a reason Leinart stayed w/ Houston and didn't leave to join his old coach in Seattle last offseason. Kubiak and Co. liked him a lot and had a ton of faith in him. Said as much when Shaub was 100% and starting.
So the praise for him was there long before in Houston. Regardless, just hate on. We all know your bias in regards to the QB position. We will just leave it at that. |
why didnt kubiak make a play for ml?
wasnt ml a free agent? if he had so much faith why not keep him as a insurance policy?
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
This was not a quote. This was Peter King's assessment from his conversations with Kubiak. That's the difference. Admittedly, some writers you can trust and some you can't. Writers for a national media outlet SHOULD have a ethical standard to meet whereas anyone associated with the team doesn't. I personally never roasted a neutral comment such as "showing signs of improvement".
My point was why such much hyperbole over a QB that we SHOULD be hoping never sees a snap? and isn't it odd that we're the only fan base focusing so much attention on a 3rd stringer? |
I agree with the bold but assessment can be just like assumptions.
i just would like to see tp take some snaps and play a series or 2 before he can be assessed. i also dont think you can call tp a third stringer just yet. wait until after the preseason at least. We all have seen what ml can do in the nfl some are happy with his production others like myself arent impressed.......we have yet to see what tp can do in the nfl.
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
This was not a quote. This was Peter King's assessment from his conversations with Kubiak. That's the difference. Admittedly, some writers you can trust and some you can't. Writers for a national media outlet SHOULD have a ethical standard to meet whereas anyone associated with the team doesn't. I personally never roasted a neutral comment such as "showing signs of improvement".
My point was why such much hyperbole over a QB that we SHOULD be hoping never sees a snap? and isn't it odd that we're the only fan base focusing so much attention on a 3rd stringer? |
Because that "third stringer" is Terrelle Pryor. If another team took him last year, they'd be just as interested in him as our fans are. It shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around. When you have a rookie qb as highly touted, and with as much potential as tp there's going to be some interest. Don't pretend he's just some typical 3rd string qb that's going nowhere, has no room to grow and is just taking up a roster space. They can POTENTIALLY be our future franchise qb, so it's cool to know his progression. |
/shrug Ok . . . He's just a 3rd stringer to me. I've always said that Pryor was collateral damage of the Palmer trade as I don't foresee anyone being the QB of the Oakland Raiders in 2014 other than Palmer, who has been more than willing to restructure to free up cash. I just don't see how Pryor can logistically get on the field and I don't see McKenzie re-uping Pryor as an unproven starter in 2015. I'm sorry, I just see Pryor on the wrong side of a numbers game.
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
This was not a quote. This was Peter King's assessment from his conversations with Kubiak. That's the difference. Admittedly, some writers you can trust and some you can't. Writers for a national media outlet SHOULD have a ethical standard to meet whereas anyone associated with the team doesn't. I personally never roasted a neutral comment such as "showing signs of improvement".
My point was why such much hyperbole over a QB that we SHOULD be hoping never sees a snap? and isn't it odd that we're the only fan base focusing so much attention on a 3rd stringer? |
Because that "third stringer" is Terrelle Pryor. If another team took him last year, they'd be just as interested in him as our fans are. It shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around. When you have a rookie qb as highly touted, and with as much potential as tp there's going to be some interest. Don't pretend he's just some typical 3rd string qb that's going nowhere, has no room to grow and is just taking up a roster space. They can POTENTIALLY be our future franchise qb, so it's cool to know his progression. |
/shrug Ok . . . He's just a 3rd stringer to me. I've always said that Pryor was collateral damage of the Palmer trade as I don't foresee anyone being the QB of the Oakland Raiders in 2014 other than Palmer, who has been more than willing to restructure to free up cash. I just don't see how Pryor can logistically get on the field and I don't see McKenzie re-uping Pryor as an unproven starter in 2015. I'm sorry, I just see Pryor on the wrong side of a numbers game. |
You are making a lot of presumptions.
In order for Pryor to never see the field:
1.He will have to be beat out by Leinart this year and years to come.
2.We will have to be a winning team, even though nearly all projections say otherwise
3.And Palmer will have to stay healthy, and he has a history of injuries and is getting older.
And in 2014 Palmer will be 34 and Pryor will be 24, lets not forget Palmer has had major injuries and will probably get injured again at some point in the next 2 years.
Whether it's Pryor or another guy(hopefully a good prospect), if the Raiders don't make the playoffs and make noise in the near future our defensive minded coach and GM will not continue to pay him 10-15 million per year.
Palmer needs to prove it on the field and win games and then these threads will disappear. |
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Remember when Colt Brennan was the third string guy people went ga-ga over?
I lol'd then also.
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| The Saw wrote: | I love CP. Pryor I'm pretty mixed on, but hopefully CP plays for a long time, and we never have to see what Pryor can do.  |
I like this guy. Let's have Palmer around for 5 more years and have all this hype around Pryor keep building and then trade him for a 1st or 2nd round pick and let him attempt to please someone else hahaha
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | Remember when Colt Brennan was the third string guy people went ga-ga over?
I lol'd then also. |
Yeah, I never understood that one
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Well if we want to go by accomplishments, he won the heisman and those clowns didn't |
lol i was talking about nfl accomplishments |
| Quote: | | 5. I think I like several of new Oakland GM Reggie McKenzie's signings of free agent marginalia. Ron Bartell may resuscitate a flagging career and could still be an effective cornerback, for instance. But the signing that may pay off most handsomely is bringing in Matt Leinart. Ask the Texans: He was just getting it, just turning around his disappointing career, when he got hurt in midseason last fall. I can tell you coach Gary Kubiak thought the Texans would be able to be offensively explosive after losing Matt Schaub, because he knew what he had in Leinart. Now Leinart will back up Carson Palmer, and though Leinart shouldn't count on playing unless Palmer gets hurt, I count Leinart as one of the best insurance policies in the NFL. Some day he'll get another chance, and I think he'll be ready. Full story here . . . . (mid-article) |
Clearly, Leinart was showing signs of improvement before his season was cut short. |
again taking a page from your how deal with the media book....wtf was kubiak supposed to say? lol. Why do you hate on cp's quote but glorify other quotes? kinda just like how knapp's quote on jr "showing signs of improvement" got roasted. |
Kubiak didn't have to say anything. There was a reason Leinart stayed w/ Houston and didn't leave to join his old coach in Seattle last offseason. Kubiak and Co. liked him a lot and had a ton of faith in him. Said as much when Shaub was 100% and starting.
So the praise for him was there long before in Houston. Regardless, just hate on. We all know your bias in regards to the QB position. We will just leave it at that. |
why didnt kubiak make a play for ml?
wasnt ml a free agent? if he had so much faith why not keep him as a insurance policy? |
Did you see TJ Yates play? Younger and cheaper backup option and their future is Shaub.
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| BigMike1b wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Remember when Colt Brennan was the third string guy people went ga-ga over?
I lol'd then also. |
Yeah, I never understood that one |
You and me both haha. Let's not forget about Louis Rankin's ability to the best RB on the team!!! LOL. I love preseason heroes. There's some every year.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | BigMike1b wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Remember when Colt Brennan was the third string guy people went ga-ga over?
I lol'd then also. |
Yeah, I never understood that one |
You and me both haha. Let's not forget about Louis Rankin's ability to the best RB on the team!!! LOL. I love preseason heroes. There's some every year. |
You've never been wrong before? I don't get comments like this. It's what the pre season is for. Some workout, some don't.
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