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GRRLacher
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It's a very valid point...he has had several knee issues and is 28yrs old. I love me some Forte, don't get me wrong...and I absolutely want him to be a Bear for a while longer. But...I do understand the trepidation on management's part to pay him big time.
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| Quote: | Throughout the league, people have wondered why the Bears can't agree on a multiyear contract extension for one of the NFL's most productive running backs. A major sticking point stems from the Bears' worry over how long Forte's knees will hold up, a source told the Tribune. The wear and tear on Forte's knees drew the attention of several teams, including the Bears, before the 2008 NFL draft when he came out of Tulane.
The Bears won't acknowledge it publicly or privately but want to protect themselves from arthritis setting in and becoming a chronic problem for the fifth-year running back with 1,237 career NFL touches who turns 27 in December. In the NFL, data show running backs start declining after age 28. |
This article is written using unnamed sources and I would suggest somewhat from a speculative standpoint so I’m not ready to totally buy into it but if the above part of the article is true and several teams had concerns over Forte’s knees and especially if there is a higher risk of arthritis setting in I’m not sure where the FO can go here…Forte is creeping up on that 28 year old mark and will want a contract that rewards him for what he has done (which is without doubt a lot for us) but any contract the Bears are going to offer will (and should) be based on what he can do for us moving forward…if this article does echo the FO’s view about Forte’s knees then maybe tagging & trading Forte at the end of the season then drafting a complement to Bush would be the best way forward for the franchise in the long term…even tho in the short term it would be a really big blow to the offence. |
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JPeppers90
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Very interesting point and a valid one. I'm with MM90 that after this year maybe the best way to go is to trade him, if his knes are really a concern of the FO. However, I think forte has many solid years in front of him.
I have never really looked at this situation where there really may not be a huge need of an elite RB... If we are going to be the 08 broncos offense, then I think Bush would do a very good job as an above the average RB, and not as an elite one because of all the attention of our passing game.
This should pay out to be very interesting.
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Wow, makes sense though, also makes sense why we spent so much on a backup...the Bears will not back down, Forte will get franchised 3 times, he needs to live with that.
Honestly though, if im him, I dont even really get upset, the franchise will equal 21 mil right? He has his 7 for this year and even if he is hurt again I dont see the Bears letting him walk next year either, so about 14 mil is pretty much guaranteed.
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Slaymont Harris
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| GRRLacher wrote: | | It's a very valid point...he has had several knee issues and is 28yrs old. I love me some Forte, don't get me wrong...and I absolutely want him to be a Bear for a while longer. But...I do understand the trepidation on management's part to pay him big time. |
He's 26 actually.
This may have been leaked by the Bears to try and help contract talks, but it also makes sense. Knee injuries + tons of touches = potential bad news for running backs |
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JPeppers90
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| Slaymont Harris wrote: | | GRRLacher wrote: | | It's a very valid point...he has had several knee issues and is 28yrs old. I love me some Forte, don't get me wrong...and I absolutely want him to be a Bear for a while longer. But...I do understand the trepidation on management's part to pay him big time. |
He's 26 actually.
This may have been leaked by the Bears to try and help contract talks, but it also makes sense. Knee injuries + tons of touches = potential bad news for running backs |
I think GRR was referring to the "declining" age of a RB at 28 that was referred to in the article. But that is also a good point, could be because of more leverage in negotiations.
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It stinks, but the Bears are following a sound strategy based on the CBA and the current state of the NFL RB position. However accurate the report, RB's value and short lived productive careers are a fact. Playing hardball with a RB doesn't need an extraordinary reason, but if the Bears don't think they can count on his knees more than year to year, franchising him is in the team's best cap move. Team and player relations aside.
Cutler isn't the only one taking a pounding out there. Forte was brutalized two season's ago. He was constantly getting hit behind and at the line of scrimmage by multiple defenders. After the season it was said that he played hurt that season. Then he gets injured last season.
Not a slam on Forte at all as his all around play and his toughness is what the NFL is about to me. However, the successful model in the NFL now seems to be that teams are better off by spending less money on RB and more money on other positions. |
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The whole negotiation has been about durability. There isn't any question that Forte is better than a single average replacement player now. The multi million dollar question is, how long will that be the case? The Bears don't seem convinced that it will be more than 2 more seasons which isn't unreasonable but also isn't in line with what Forte thinks of his own future.
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Whom ever has Matt Forte's best interests in mind needs to balance getting him the maximum $$ vs. the short career cycle of a RB. Forte should look at the 1985 Bears. Several defenders stubbornly held out, one an all pro safety, and missed a special year.
Never know.
Forte has an unusual skill at catching the football. Cutler needs every outlet possible.
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| AZBearsFan wrote: | | The whole negotiation has been about durability. There isn't any question that Forte is better than a single average replacement player now. The multi million dollar question is, how long will that be the case? The Bears don't seem convinced that it will be more than 2 more seasons which isn't unreasonable but also isn't in line with what Forte thinks of his own future. |
This has been my whole concern with these contract talks. I can't see him playing more than another four yrs and don't want to pay him for five. Now as they add weapons they will not have to rely upon him as much thus his playing career could be extended.
He must be made aware of these considerations and that his post career here would be assured as so many Bears players have been if they do not spoil the fans' regard with contract squabbles that get unreasonable. |
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| MonserinNC wrote: | Wow, makes sense though, also makes sense why we spent so much on a backup...the Bears will not back down, Forte will get franchised 3 times, he needs to live with that.
Honestly though, if im him, I dont even really get upset, the franchise will equal 21 mil right? He has his 7 for this year and even if he is hurt again I dont see the Bears letting him walk next year either, so about 14 mil is pretty much guaranteed. |
They can only franchise him twice but the total goes up each yr so he would be looking at least 15 for two yrs. Then he would be completely free and maybe get another 12-18. I would go 32,000,004 for four right now. |
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| ChicagoAl wrote: | | MonserinNC wrote: | Wow, makes sense though, also makes sense why we spent so much on a backup...the Bears will not back down, Forte will get franchised 3 times, he needs to live with that.
Honestly though, if im him, I dont even really get upset, the franchise will equal 21 mil right? He has his 7 for this year and even if he is hurt again I dont see the Bears letting him walk next year either, so about 14 mil is pretty much guaranteed. |
They can only franchise him twice but the total goes up each yr so he would be looking at least 15 for two yrs. Then he would be completely free and maybe get another 12-18. I would go 32,000,004 for four right now. |
I dont know where to look it up but I think I heard the new CBA is 3 years you can franchise
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Slaymont Harris
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| Under the new CBA, the Bears can tag Forte next year (at around $9.25 million), and then tag him in 2014 too, but the price goes up to $13.31 million. There's no chance that happens in 2014, since it would mean Forte would be getting a little over $30 million guaranteed for 3 years. |
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