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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: Chiefs were reportedly close to signing Reggie Wayne |
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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/7/23/3177461/kansas-city-chiefs-reggie-wayne-indianapolis-colts
| Quote: | The KC Star's Adam Teicher dropped a bit of a surprise over the weekend with this paragraph:
| Adam Teicher wrote: | | The Chiefs' Romeo Crennel, like most head coaches, prefers veteran players over younger ones, everything else being equal. The Chiefs attempted to sign more veteran players during the offseason. They came close to adding wide receiver Reggie Wayne before he decided to remain with the Colts. |
Uh, what? That's the first I had heard of that. This would've come back around the start of free agency in March. |
So on the heels of what appears to have been no real attempts to sign Bowe long term this little nugget comes out.
Keep in mind that Wayne re-signed with the Colts within hours after the start of UFA. That timing is important, because unlike what AHP says in this link, there would have been no signing Wayne before declaring Bowe as the franchise player, thus they couldn't have say signed Wayne and tagged Carr instead, letting Bowe walk. That decision had already been made.
It's also believeable that this pursuit might have had something to do with the Manning sweepstakes. Were we after Wayne as a package deal for Manning? Maybe Wayne heard Manning wasn't coming here, and Denver wasn't looking at Wayne, so he went back to Indy? Who knows? It's certainly plausible.
What I do know is that this definitely doesn't look good for Bowe's long term future here. Sure, things can change depending on how this season goes, but the writing appears to be on the wall.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Wayne signed his contract on 13 March, thus more than a week into Free Agency. IF the Chiefs had signed him they would have had two options:
1: Withdraw the tender to Bowe, making him a Free Agent immediately, grabbing another 3rd round comp pick in 2013 if he signs elsewhere.
2: Keeping Bowe franchised and trying to trade him for something in 2012 - however, risking they would be stuck with two high price WR.
Any way: there was no chance to franchise Carr instead, as the franchisee designation period expired a week before the start of the new League year (and thus before FA started).
I truly believe Bowe overplayed his hand in terms of financial demands. We'll see how long it takes him to sign the franchise tender - and what will happen to him next year. I agree it doesn't look like he'll be in KC long term. |
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This worries me a lot. I think this tells us that Pioli knows we cant win with just Baldwin - Breaston and we need someone else. It looks like he went after a good vet in Wayne, missed out, then tagged Bowe hoping he will play with the tag.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Mikek163 wrote: | | This worries me a lot. I think this tells us that Pioli knows we cant win with just Baldwin - Breaston and we need someone else. It looks like he went after a good vet in Wayne, missed out, then tagged Bowe hoping he will play with the tag. |
Nope, Bowe was tagged way before FA began. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| KC_Guy wrote: | | Mikek163 wrote: | | This worries me a lot. I think this tells us that Pioli knows we cant win with just Baldwin - Breaston and we need someone else. It looks like he went after a good vet in Wayne, missed out, then tagged Bowe hoping he will play with the tag. |
Nope, Bowe was tagged way before FA began. |
Was he really? Ok so then maybe Pioli tagged him, wanted Wayne and then could have traded Bowe? Either way it doesn't look good for Bowe.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| KC_Guy wrote: | Wayne signed his contract on 13 March, thus more than a week into Free Agency. IF the Chiefs had signed him they would have had two options:
1: Withdraw the tender to Bowe, making him a Free Agent immediately, grabbing another 3rd round comp pick in 2013 if he signs elsewhere.
2: Keeping Bowe franchised and trying to trade him for something in 2012 - however, risking they would be stuck with two high price WR.
Any way: there was no chance to franchise Carr instead, as the franchisee designation period expired a week before the start of the new League year (and thus before FA started).
I truly believe Bowe overplayed his hand in terms of financial demands. We'll see how long it takes him to sign the franchise tender - and what will happen to him next year. I agree it doesn't look like he'll be in KC long term. |
So what does this say about Pioli, that he will stick with a bum like Cassel for atleast 4 years with no attempt at finding a replacement, but will use a 1st rounder on a questionable WR a year in advance of a proven guy like Bowe becoming a FA.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mikek163 wrote: | | This worries me a lot. I think this tells us that Pioli knows we cant win with just Baldwin - Breaston and we need someone else. It looks like he went after a good vet in Wayne, missed out, then tagged Bowe hoping he will play with the tag. |
If Pioli is making these decisions based on "we can't win with" We can sooner win with Baldwin/Breaston, etc as our WR's... than with Cassel as our QB. How come he doesn't know that?
Or if he really thot we can't win with just Baldwin/Breaston, you know he could just PAY BOWE!!!
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| fortdetroit wrote: | | I wonder if people realize that Matt Cassel's 2 best seasons of his career are probably better than anything Alex Smith has ever done. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| KC_Guy wrote: | Wayne signed his contract on 13 March, thus more than a week into Free Agency. IF the Chiefs had signed him they would have had two options:
1: Withdraw the tender to Bowe, making him a Free Agent immediately, grabbing another 3rd round comp pick in 2013 if he signs elsewhere.
2: Keeping Bowe franchised and trying to trade him for something in 2012 - however, risking they would be stuck with two high price WR.
Any way: there was no chance to franchise Carr instead, as the franchisee designation period expired a week before the start of the new League year (and thus before FA started).
I truly believe Bowe overplayed his hand in terms of financial demands. We'll see how long it takes him to sign the franchise tender - and what will happen to him next year. I agree it doesn't look like he'll be in KC long term. |
Um, according to a very handy site I've found that someone very smart made - http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=463801 Unrestricted Free Agency Began March 13th this year, which was the day Wayne signed. It goes on to say that franchise players had to be declared by March 5th.
So any attempt to get Wayne was after the committment to Bowe, and would have had no effect on Carr.
IMO, this was part of attempting to go after Manning, but even still, the idea that we'd let Bowe walk for anyone else means we are not that tied into him. Couple this with the speculation from others that "from what they know" we didn't attempt to re-sign Bowe long term very hard, and at a minimum it's painting a picture that we are moving on sooner or later.
The questionable thing is why does this come out now? Bowe has not signed his franchise tender at this point. He either signs the tender, or he does not get paid, and there are no viable hold out options IMO, unless he's just got a major bone to pick with us. I'm getting a tad worried. While I like to think Baldwin can step up his game, its far from a certainty, and outside of him we hve no one that could be a legit #1 WR IMO.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| ArrowheadRage58 wrote: | | Mikek163 wrote: | | This worries me a lot. I think this tells us that Pioli knows we cant win with just Baldwin - Breaston and we need someone else. It looks like he went after a good vet in Wayne, missed out, then tagged Bowe hoping he will play with the tag. |
If Pioli is making these decisions based on "we can't win with" We can sooner win with Baldwin/Breaston, etc as our WR's... than with Cassel as our QB. How come he doesn't know that? |
My hope is that the interest in Manning was a confirmation that he does know that, he just didn't like the next options after he went to Denver more then Cassel or Stanzi.
This news, while unrelated in most ways from Pioli's opinion on Cassel should be confirmation that there's almost always more to the story, and we'll only find out if they choose to let us know. They have nothing to gain by saying they attempted to go get other QB's to replace
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | Um, according to a very handy site I've found that someone very smart made - http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=463801 Unrestricted Free Agency Began March 13th this year, which was the day Wayne signed. It goes on to say that franchise players had to be declared by March 5th.
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Ugghh .. I could have sworn FA started March 6 ... well, good thing someone cares about compiling facts & figures ... |
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but is there really a reason for Bowe to not sign his franchise tag?
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| Rearviewmirror wrote: | | but is there really a reason for Bowe to not sign his franchise tag? |
I don't know what the last day to sign the franchise tender is, but could it first off be an attempt to send a signal to the front office and also so he can skip the beginning of camp without getting fined? |
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| nicfre2011 wrote: | | Rearviewmirror wrote: | | but is there really a reason for Bowe to not sign his franchise tag? |
I don't know what the last day to sign the franchise tender is, but could it first off be an attempt to send a signal to the front office and also so he can skip the beginning of camp without getting fined? |
Pretty sure if he doesn't report to camp, he loses part fo his tender amount.
There really isn't a deadline to report, as much as every week that he doesn't sign and report takes away from his earning potential. Similar to V-Jax from a couple of years ago, he held out despite losing game checks, only to report around week 10, so he'd get another year of accrued seasons toward UFA. Difference was though that he was on an RFA tender at that time, not a Franchise tender, which is a huge difference in money. Not to mention that under that CBA, there were no restrictions on when he could have signed a long term deal like there are no for Bowe.
For Bowe, it's quite simple, the more time he misses, the less money he makes. He may have some point to prove, but all it will do is ultimately hurt his value IMO, because fair or not, he'll start to be labeled as a malcontent by some. Some teams will stay away, and some will onyl take him on a bargain, thus overall hurting his chances of getting the max possible contract. Not to mention his performance this year could be greatly hurt by missing off season time, either from lack of familiarity with the offense, or Baldwin supplanting him.
Him holding out will hurt him the most, even if it will hurt us too, ultimately it will accomplish nothing to benefit him IMO.
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Wayne, Breaston and Baldwin is a solid trio, with DMX in their somewhere. Two rookies are available for depth. If worse came to worst, we could have made it work.
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| bigschmadt00 wrote: | | nicfre2011 wrote: | | Rearviewmirror wrote: | | but is there really a reason for Bowe to not sign his franchise tag? |
I don't know what the last day to sign the franchise tender is, but could it first off be an attempt to send a signal to the front office and also so he can skip the beginning of camp without getting fined? |
Pretty sure if he doesn't report to camp, he loses part fo his tender amount.
There really isn't a deadline to report, as much as every week that he doesn't sign and report takes away from his earning potential. |
He doesn't lose any money if he skips training camp as he's not under contract.
Monetary impact will only happen if he does not report until Week ONE of the regular season (he'll lose 1/17 of the tender amount per week). The latest day to sign his tender is the Tuesday after Week 10, so well into the season.
However, there's a deadline to earn an accrued season which may be revelant with regard to minimum pay (in the twilight of his career) and retirement benefits. For that date check the handy site mentioned above  |
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