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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:11 am    Post subject: Derek Wolfe's Position/Role Reply with quote

After reading Rotoworld's exerpt and the Denver Post article by Mike Klis, I began to think about Derek Wolfe's position and role in the newest defensive scheme.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20756359/broncos-defensive-coordinator-jack-del-rio-has-keeper-derek-wolfe

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"A good, smart player who is going to play a long time," Del Rio said. "He cares. He's intelligent. He plays hard. I see this (Derek Wolfe) being that kind of guy. He's a worker. He's got rush ability. He's not a big tackle right now. So right now his body type is probably more of a base end that can slide inside (in the nickel). We'll play him at both spots. That's extra value. That's like a guy who can play center and guard. That's OK. You need guys who can do multiple things."


I was almost concerned that we drafted a part time tackle, but then slapped myself to reality - teams run out of the nickle a majority of the time in today's game. The nickle defense gets our best players on the field:
Pass rushing front: Dumervil - Ayers - Wolfe - Miller; or Vickerson/Bannan for more beef
Coverage linebackers: D.J./Woodyard; maybe Irving will make a leap?
Veteran secondary: Bailey - Porter - Florence - Adams; with talented youth Harris, Morris, Carter, etc.

What are your thoughts on Del Rio's comments and the prospective positions we'll see from the top pick, Derek Wolfe?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read another article on the subject of the new defense:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Notebook-Del-Rio-Fox-Building-Our-Defense/7a475d84-f20f-4039-9ade-7565620a3986

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"We want some size in there," Del Rio said. "I like big D tackles."


Seems like we don't have many options there quite yet, but we do have some prospects with Vickerson, Siliga, and maybe Marcus Thomas.

To model off of the Jags interior, it would be nice to find a Terrence Knighton type to match with the Alualu/Wolfe-tweener type we've seemed to address.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be interesting to see how Wolfe develops and where he plays over the next couple of years. If you look at both John Fox's and Jack Del Rio's defenses over the years the incorporate big fronts, even at DE.

It wouldn't be surprising at all to see Wolfe in as a base end and then slide inside in the nickel. I am interested to see if this is the long term plan with him, or if the franchise tries to beef him up over the next couple of years and just leave him inside. Either way, I feel Wolfe will be a quality player for this franchise and with his size/length he could really help open things up for Von Miller playing behind him.

Malik Jackson Is in a similar player. He is experienced across the line and at 6'5" 285 could be used similarly.

Another interesting twist is that Elvis Dumervil has reportedly slimmed down to his weight when Denver was running the 3/4. It could be possible for Denver to throw some wrinkles into the defense and use bigger DE's (Wolfe, Jackson, hell even throw Warren in there) to protect and free up the pass rushers (Niller/Dumervil).

There is no doubt it is a versatile front 7, and while I don't think there is any chance the team runs the 3/4, you could make a case that if they did it would be a better and more talented group than it ever was under McDaniels.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Del Rio emphasizes that Woolfe presently does not have the size to be a full time DT. Even with that, he presents great value as he is able to play end and tackle.
It is obvious that the Broncos expect him to get bigger. And from the pics we have seen he certainly has the frame to add more weight. I see Woolfe being a part time Tackle/End his first couple years and becoming a full time DT by his third year. Derek will ultimately play at about 315-320 pounds which is big enough and still allows him to rush effectively from the inside.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Ayers will probably beat him out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul-mac wrote:
Robert Ayers will probably beat him out.


What makes you say that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

germ-x wrote:
paul-mac wrote:
Robert Ayers will probably beat him out.


What makes you say that?


What makes you question that? Ayers finally had a role where he was used to last year and he played fairly well there at the end. He is a DE not a LB where they used to have him. Ayers will definitely be there on the end no question about it. What makes you think Wolfe who hasn't been to any OTAs will be out Ayers? Even though he is gonna play a lot of 3 tech
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.MileHigh wrote:
germ-x wrote:
paul-mac wrote:
Robert Ayers will probably beat him out.


What makes you say that?


What makes you question that? Ayers finally had a role where he was used to last year and he played fairly well there at the end. He is a DE not a LB where they used to have him. Ayers will definitely be there on the end no question about it. What makes you think Wolfe who hasn't been to any OTAs will be out Ayers? Even though he is gonna play a lot of 3 tech


I question it because Robert Ayers is an average NFL DE. IMO, all Wolfe would need to do is prove that he can stop the run at DE as good or better than Ayers and he would likely have the job. Considering Wolfe's play at Cincy and his size/ length I can't help think he could do that.

While on the Robert Ayers topic, more than any other Bronco he frustrates the hell out of me. If anyone watched him at the Senior Bowl in '09 you would have seen arguably the best Senior Bowl performance in years. He was a man amongst boys out there, not only in drills, but also in the game. It didn't matter where you lined him up or if he was going against OT's OG's, OC's, or a combination of them. He was absolutely embarrassing everybody. It made you put is game tape at Tennessee to the side and think if a team can tap into that you will have an elite DE or OLB.

I was happy with the selection of Ayers and thought, much like Mike Mayock, that given a few years Ayers would be the best or one of the best defensive selections in the '09 class. However, for whatever reason how he played at the Senior Bowl never translates in an actual game. Ayers is the same solid, but un spectacular player he was at Tennessee and likely always will be.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most interesting part of that article was Del Rio comparing Wolfe to Aaron Smith.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntiSuperstar wrote:
The most interesting part of that article was Del Rio comparing Wolfe to Aaron Smith.

I agree. That stuck right out to me too. I also agree that he is the type that Pitt takes. He plays with that type of mentality.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wolfe seems like a 3-4 DE to me.

If anybody looked at the players on this defense, they would figure that the Broncos were runnign a 3-4. Miller and Doom are 3-4 OLB's, Wolfe is a 3-4 DE, Williams, is 3-4 MLB.

I understand that a defense needs to be versatile, but the players we have just don't naturally fit in a 4-3.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one of Ayers (and probably others) problem has that Denver has had a different DC every season! Last year they got a good "no name" DC and I thought that if they could keep him for 2 or 3 seasons people like Ayers and Thomas can find out what they expect and do it. Then what happens, a idiot team hires him with one season experience as DC, as their head coach!!!!
It will be interesting to see how Fox and Del Rio use all this talent!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kansas bob wrote:
I think one of Ayers (and probably others) problem has that Denver has had a different DC every season! Last year they got a good "no name" DC and I thought that if they could keep him for 2 or 3 seasons people like Ayers and Thomas can find out what they expect and do it. Then what happens, a idiot team hires him with one season experience as DC, as their head coach!!!!
It will be interesting to see how Fox and Del Rio use all this talent!
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I think this is the year Ayers finally puts together consistent solid play for an entire season. I will not be the least bit surprised to see him finish the season with at least 8 sacks while proving stout against the run.
He was never very comfortable as an OLB in the 3-4. His second season at DE will see him play more like he did in the Pittsburgh game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a good feeling about Siliga. He looks like a bowling ball with Tattoos.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayers is a very solid run stuffing DE and a pretty good pass rushing DT. I just rewatched the Steelers playoff game and he made a lot of plays while rushing inside. I would like to see him add 10 more lbs and play more DT. I could see Wolfe and him as DT on passing downs and D Ends on third and inches. I also really like Malik Jackson. He was one of the few shinning stars on that Tenn. Defense last year.
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