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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poorly coached is a simple way of saying it, too simple and doesn't highlight the things Rex Ryan actually does well and makes it sound like it's something that can't or won't be fixed.

Rex Ryan on form is one of the best coaches in football, motivating players to run through a wall for him, maximizing player skill sets and being a defensive x's and o's mastermind. Team mentality is too up and down though, a product of Rex Ryan's style. When he can motivate players with a "back against the wall" mentality the Jets have been very dangerous but when they play the role of bully rather than the disrespected the players get complacent. And with the rumblings in the locker room from last season, that things don't go as well when the team is losing is a sign of not always being able to keep the players close-knit. He's speaking like he's learned from it though. But again, we'll see. I still think there's something to be said for 2009-2010 going to Cortland and the camaraderie built from that as opposed to 2011 coming off the lockout where the team didn't play for each other as much.

The biggest thing in terms of on-the-field stuff has always been discipline. Particularly, discipline on the offensive side of the ball. And that's where the Tony Sparano hire is so pivotal - he preaches fundamentals and discipline, knowing that more games are lost than won and not beating yourself is half the battle. If he successfully instills discipline into the offense across the board the entire team will benefit greatly. The Dolphins under Sparano were one of the league's least penalized teams consistently.

I think the first handful of games will be key. The negative impact of having Tim Tebow on the roster in itself is incredibly exaggerated, but the Jets will suffer disastrous consequences if Sanchez gets benched for Tebow at any point during the season and it's most likely to occur if Sanchez struggles early on in the season against the quality of defenses the Jets face in that period.

But again, I think poorly coached is unfair. In fact in some respects the Jets are amongst the best coached teams in the league particularly on the defensive side of the ball and we'll see the effect Tony Sparano will have offensively. Rex Ryan has to make strides as a head coach though, in terms of administrative duties and man management. And those are indeed key things to be fair. If he's going to be someone who puts a lot of faith and trust into fellow staff, they've got to be able to do their job well, and that's something Brian Schottenheimer didn't do. So we'll see how things work out now that Ryan has hired one of "his" type of guys in Tony Sparano. I expect positive strides.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle.
I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.

Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be.


I wasn't accusing you specifically of letting the Tebow trade influence your OP, I was more directing those comments towards what JFaulk said about there generally being an unusual amount of negativity towards the upcoming season by both Jet and non-Jet fans.

I'm really not sure what would have made some fans happy with this offseason. Did they want to fire Rex Ryan and start over for having an 8-8 season in a lockout year? Did they expect the Jets to trade four future first rounders to St. Louis for RG III?

I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about a bounce back year. The new Offensive scheme seems to be a better fit for the personnel the Jets have, and the conditions in our stadium. The Jets have added Karl Dunbar as their DL coach, and drafted players this year that will allow them to play more 4 man fronts, and rush the passer with D Linemen. The linebackers will be smaller and faster, and they'll play more of a role in covering the middle of the field. Mark Sanchez will be pushed to be a little more mature as a player and a person by Tebow, who can also provide some of the Brad Smith type packages the Jets missed last year.

Remember something else- most fans of the Giants were very down on them last year for loosing Smith and Boss, and really not being active at all in FA. Some of their fans were saying 8-8, too. There's really no way to know in June.


I'm not even dissatisfied with our offseason. I just don't see what all of the optimistic homerism everyone's displaying. We're an average team with the potential to be great. Nothing more. Realistically, I'm not going to sit here and say Hill (as a rookie) will be Randy Moss or that the running game and Sanchez will be prolific because Sparano's the coach. I hope these things will be improved. I think they can be. I'm not betting the farm on it. We simply don't have the personnel to garner the kind of expectations Jets' fans are hoping for.

Even the defense, which I think will be better, hasn't improved significantly personnel wise. There's still a glaring hole in safety coverage. And where are all of these speedy linebackers everyone keeps fussing about? Last I checked we drafted Demario Davis. That's it. Was there some big signing that I'm missing?

I think people are just projecting improvements they want to see, with no evidence. We don't quite sound like Bills fans of the past couple of years, but we're definitely getting there.
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Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle.
I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.

Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be.


I wasn't accusing you specifically of letting the Tebow trade influence your OP, I was more directing those comments towards what JFaulk said about there generally being an unusual amount of negativity towards the upcoming season by both Jet and non-Jet fans.

I'm really not sure what would have made some fans happy with this offseason. Did they want to fire Rex Ryan and start over for having an 8-8 season in a lockout year? Did they expect the Jets to trade four future first rounders to St. Louis for RG III?

I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about a bounce back year. The new Offensive scheme seems to be a better fit for the personnel the Jets have, and the conditions in our stadium. The Jets have added Karl Dunbar as their DL coach, and drafted players this year that will allow them to play more 4 man fronts, and rush the passer with D Linemen. The linebackers will be smaller and faster, and they'll play more of a role in covering the middle of the field. Mark Sanchez will be pushed to be a little more mature as a player and a person by Tebow, who can also provide some of the Brad Smith type packages the Jets missed last year.

Remember something else- most fans of the Giants were very down on them last year for loosing Smith and Boss, and really not being active at all in FA. Some of their fans were saying 8-8, too. There's really no way to know in June.


I'm not even dissatisfied with our offseason. I just don't see what all of the optimistic homerism everyone's displaying. We're an average team with the potential to be great. Nothing more. Realistically, I'm not going to sit here and say Hill (as a rookie) will be Randy Moss or that the running game and Sanchez will be prolific because Sparano's the coach. I hope these things will be improved. I think they can be. I'm not betting the farm on it. We simply don't have the personnel to garner the kind of expectations Jets' fans are hoping for.

Even the defense, which I think will be better, hasn't improved significantly personnel wise. There's still a glaring hole in safety coverage. And where are all of these speedy linebackers everyone keeps fussing about? Last I checked we drafted Demario Davis. That's it. Was there some big signing that I'm missing?

I think people are just projecting improvements they want to see, with no evidence. We don't quite sound like Bills fans of the past couple of years, but we're definitely getting there.


Dude bills fans? Who are you honestly. And also what were you expecting this offseason ? Us to go out and sign exactly who you want or the best players on the market? We are a very good team as it is. Adding Demario could be huge asset. Big play ability and speed. And there's still a glaring hole in safety coverage? Okay guy Landry, smith, bell, bush, Allen sounds a lot better than smith, pool, and Leonard, I guess if right now is a glaring hole , last year must have been something bigger. I don't get your arrogant statements bro. We are not bills fans nor are we becoming them. Trust the damn front office for once. The past three years have been the best 3 years to be a jet fan for a long time. Quit complaining seriously. If your a jet fan you will act like one.
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Comparing this year's team to last year's just goes to show how many different dimensions we have added to this team. Stephen Hill gives us a dangerous deep threat and even though he's an unpolished rookie, he can still fly down field and teams need to worry about that. Demario Davis finally gives us a speedy linebacker with range, cover skills, and great blitzing ability. Tebow & Sparano will revolutionize the Wild Cat. LaRon Landry, although not known for his cover skills, is a fast free safety that we've been lacking forever. Quinton Coples has the potential to command double teams or become a pass rushing force of his own along the d-line; just because he's not a prototypical JPP or Aldon Smith doesn't mean he won't make an impact. In fact, I expect Coples to kill it from day one. We are no longer a predictable team.

In addition to all that, we have a CAKE schedule. We play the entire AFC South and NFC West and I expect to take at least 5 out of 8 of those games. I also expect to go 4-2 in the division. Then we have a game against the Steelers, who will be without Mendenhall and Hampton when we play them in week 2, and a game against the Chargers, at home, in primetime, in week 16 when things can be coming down to the wire. We have played them well in recent memory, plus I'm not impressed with that team anyway.

I think Jet fans have a lot to be excited about. Looking at our schedule, there's no way we're going to be any worse than we were this past season. We haven't gotten worse in any way, only better. Bryan Thomas will be back too and he's hugely underrated on this forum. Maybin, Wilson, and Wilkerson are all improving and more can be expected from them. We now have a fierce competition at RT and Shonn Greene will be facing some pressure too so I expect our running game to improve also just because of that. Hill and Tebow's presence alone will help our running game when they're on the field too.

Lastly, this is Sanchez's make-or-break year. Someone posted an article comparing Mark to Eli and their numbers are eerily similar. If that's any indication of Mark making improvements, we should have our expectations for this season set high. I have faith in him, he's shown his flashes of brilliance while playing inconsistently. He wasn't a top 5 pick for nothing, I think he can do it.

Final prediction: 12-4, with the #5 seed in the playoffs.
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We are young, added loads of talent in the draft. If you guys think Couples is not good you dont have a clue about football. Dude is a monster I dont care what the scouts say about motor. Dude is a baller and with a guy like Rex and playing with Wilkerson the competition between the two will drive both to the next level. We got Hill who many scouts said was a top 20 pick his skill set is off the charts. We got two top 20 talents without moving up that high. I think Couples and Hill will be stars and in Demario can be our 3 down backer this could be the best draft in Jets History.
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RDawg10 wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle.
I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.

Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be.


I wasn't accusing you specifically of letting the Tebow trade influence your OP, I was more directing those comments towards what JFaulk said about there generally being an unusual amount of negativity towards the upcoming season by both Jet and non-Jet fans.

I'm really not sure what would have made some fans happy with this offseason. Did they want to fire Rex Ryan and start over for having an 8-8 season in a lockout year? Did they expect the Jets to trade four future first rounders to St. Louis for RG III?

I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about a bounce back year. The new Offensive scheme seems to be a better fit for the personnel the Jets have, and the conditions in our stadium. The Jets have added Karl Dunbar as their DL coach, and drafted players this year that will allow them to play more 4 man fronts, and rush the passer with D Linemen. The linebackers will be smaller and faster, and they'll play more of a role in covering the middle of the field. Mark Sanchez will be pushed to be a little more mature as a player and a person by Tebow, who can also provide some of the Brad Smith type packages the Jets missed last year.

Remember something else- most fans of the Giants were very down on them last year for loosing Smith and Boss, and really not being active at all in FA. Some of their fans were saying 8-8, too. There's really no way to know in June.


I'm not even dissatisfied with our offseason. I just don't see what all of the optimistic homerism everyone's displaying. We're an average team with the potential to be great. Nothing more. Realistically, I'm not going to sit here and say Hill (as a rookie) will be Randy Moss or that the running game and Sanchez will be prolific because Sparano's the coach. I hope these things will be improved. I think they can be. I'm not betting the farm on it. We simply don't have the personnel to garner the kind of expectations Jets' fans are hoping for.

Even the defense, which I think will be better, hasn't improved significantly personnel wise. There's still a glaring hole in safety coverage. And where are all of these speedy linebackers everyone keeps fussing about? Last I checked we drafted Demario Davis. That's it. Was there some big signing that I'm missing?

I think people are just projecting improvements they want to see, with no evidence. We don't quite sound like Bills fans of the past couple of years, but we're definitely getting there.


Dude bills fans? Who are you honestly. And also what were you expecting this offseason ? Us to go out and sign exactly who you want or the best players on the market? We are a very good team as it is. Adding Demario could be huge asset. Big play ability and speed. And there's still a glaring hole in safety coverage? Okay guy Landry, smith, bell, bush, Allen sounds a lot better than smith, pool, and Leonard, I guess if right now is a glaring hole , last year must have been something bigger. I don't get your arrogant statements bro. We are not bills fans nor are we becoming them. Trust the damn front office for once. The past three years have been the best 3 years to be a jet fan for a long time. Quit complaining seriously. If your a jet fan you will act like one.
Must've struck a nerve.

Here's some points for concern
- Already said I'm content with this offseason. I'm a realist. Teams always have holes & building through the draft is something I wanted us to do this year. I liked our draft. I liked our offseason moves. I have no complaints. I'm also content with saying we're an average team. What part of that don't you understand? Read my posts.
- You think any of those rookies are going to get any playing time? Laughing We have a cluster**** at safety. If you think Landry, Bell or any of those rookies improve our safety coverage this season I beg you to do your homework. Also, if you think the late signing of Bell isn't telling of the team's concern with throwing young safeties into the fire so quickly (not to mention insurance on Landry's injury), I beg you to do your homework. FYI: Bell and Landry have never been known for their safety coverage. Sidenote: I do like our safeties this year more than last year.
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Colt45fool wrote:
RDawg10 wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
Harris Smith wrote:
I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle.
I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.

Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be.


I wasn't accusing you specifically of letting the Tebow trade influence your OP, I was more directing those comments towards what JFaulk said about there generally being an unusual amount of negativity towards the upcoming season by both Jet and non-Jet fans.

I'm really not sure what would have made some fans happy with this offseason. Did they want to fire Rex Ryan and start over for having an 8-8 season in a lockout year? Did they expect the Jets to trade four future first rounders to St. Louis for RG III?

I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about a bounce back year. The new Offensive scheme seems to be a better fit for the personnel the Jets have, and the conditions in our stadium. The Jets have added Karl Dunbar as their DL coach, and drafted players this year that will allow them to play more 4 man fronts, and rush the passer with D Linemen. The linebackers will be smaller and faster, and they'll play more of a role in covering the middle of the field. Mark Sanchez will be pushed to be a little more mature as a player and a person by Tebow, who can also provide some of the Brad Smith type packages the Jets missed last year.

Remember something else- most fans of the Giants were very down on them last year for loosing Smith and Boss, and really not being active at all in FA. Some of their fans were saying 8-8, too. There's really no way to know in June.


I'm not even dissatisfied with our offseason. I just don't see what all of the optimistic homerism everyone's displaying. We're an average team with the potential to be great. Nothing more. Realistically, I'm not going to sit here and say Hill (as a rookie) will be Randy Moss or that the running game and Sanchez will be prolific because Sparano's the coach. I hope these things will be improved. I think they can be. I'm not betting the farm on it. We simply don't have the personnel to garner the kind of expectations Jets' fans are hoping for.

Even the defense, which I think will be better, hasn't improved significantly personnel wise. There's still a glaring hole in safety coverage. And where are all of these speedy linebackers everyone keeps fussing about? Last I checked we drafted Demario Davis. That's it. Was there some big signing that I'm missing?

I think people are just projecting improvements they want to see, with no evidence. We don't quite sound like Bills fans of the past couple of years, but we're definitely getting there.


Dude bills fans? Who are you honestly. And also what were you expecting this offseason ? Us to go out and sign exactly who you want or the best players on the market? We are a very good team as it is. Adding Demario could be huge asset. Big play ability and speed. And there's still a glaring hole in safety coverage? Okay guy Landry, smith, bell, bush, Allen sounds a lot better than smith, pool, and Leonard, I guess if right now is a glaring hole , last year must have been something bigger. I don't get your arrogant statements bro. We are not bills fans nor are we becoming them. Trust the damn front office for once. The past three years have been the best 3 years to be a jet fan for a long time. Quit complaining seriously. If your a jet fan you will act like one.
Must've struck a nerve.

Here's some points for concern
- Already said I'm content with this offseason. I'm a realist. Teams always have holes & building through the draft is something I wanted us to do this year. I liked our draft. I liked our offseason moves. I have no complaints. I'm also content with saying we're an average team. What part of that don't you understand? Read my posts.
- You think any of those rookies are going to get any playing time? Laughing We have a cluster**** at safety. If you think Landry, Bell or any of those rookies improve our safety coverage this season I beg you to do your homework. Also, if you think the late signing of Bell isn't telling of the team's concern with throwing young safeties into the fire so quickly (not to mention insurance on Landry's injury), I beg you to do your homework. FYI: Bell and Landry have never been known for their safety coverage. Sidenote: I do like our safeties this year more than last year.


Thank you for addressing the statement "I think we are turning into bills fans...

Anyways i understand your view on the weakness of safety coverage and the speed of the linebackers. But you need to understand that maybin was already significant speed at the OLB position. Then you add Davis who adds speed as well. Davis is going to be a superb player in this defense no doubt about it. His intangibles are though the roof.

Pace, Thomas with a rotation with Maybin.
Harris, Scott with a rotation with Davis.

This allows are linebackers to stay fresh. Not get as tired as the game goes on.

As far as safety coverage goes, Free safety is the easiest to convert a player to. Its been done for years and years now with aged corners who need a more laid back role. With the amount of young defensive backs we have, our options are through the roof. Competition will be huge at that position this offseason. One thing i think should be something huge to think about is, free safety is the one position thats most difficult to block offensively. Teams for some reason in the nfl find it hard to gameplan against a good tackling free safety who can come up and stuff the run. This is why i think Cromartie is a definite no for that position. He thrives in man coverage and has some range, speed, and ball skills but tackling is to much of a liability. The way josh bush plays, i wouldnt be suprised to see him come out at that position but if not i wouldnt be opposed if Landry is healthy to have him tried there. Only because i think Bell is the perfect strong safety for this defense. Reliable tackler that can cover tight ends and backs because he has quick closing speed.

Anyways our team is very talented. I dont like the fact that you call us an average team just because we have a ? mark in safety coverage or ? at RT. Bro look around. Look at other teams rosters and tell me how many question marks they have.

Patriots Liability at free safety. . or even corner.. or even RB or even T for them. Solders gotta come in an start. How will he do? We dont know honestly. But were not going to call the patriots an average team are we? Take away Tom brady... Take away Mark Sanchez... what team would you rather have? honestly
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I don't see us as much better than a 7-9 team, and I can see us being much worse. Strategy plays a lot into it, and I don't think we have good coaching on this roster. Our talent is so-so, but our chemistry is bad. We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions.

I don't see us being much better than that. I think we have enough talent with good coaching we could succeed, but we don't have that. And our team doesn't have the mindset of a winner. You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly, and a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game. You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good.


Sorry bud but this is the most troubled and dumb statement ive seen in a while. To say that you dont think we have good coaching on this roster is laughable. Last year everyone complained and complained about Schotty. Every weekend i kept hearing how bad his playcalling was and how it has stunt Sanchez's growth to become a better quarterback. Now we have Sparano who may be the best game planning offensive coordinator in the league. Sparano knows how to gameplan its flat out true. If his team has a weakness he knows the perfect way to hide it. He did the past three years for the dolphins. Against teams like patriots, steelers, etc. he figured ways to be competitive with a not so talented dolphin bunch. We couldnt have a better OC right now. We finally have a sense discipline with him around. Players have already came out and said that. He doesnt put any player above any player and thats huge. The best player will play. Also the addition of Karl Dunbar doesnt help? Sanjay Lal? Well i guess to you there not upgrades.

Next Statement you said " Our Talent is So so and our chemistry is bad" Thank you for reiterating that coach ryan. Sorry bro but how do you know that our chemistry is bad? Is this still about last year with a little arguement in the huddle? That happens alot in the nfl just saying. The funny thing is, all the players last year said there complaints were against Schotty, well guess what hes gone. Our chemistry at this point is hard to tell. But i must say every guy on this roster has alot to prove and you can tell they want to. Every player has worked hard this offseason and most are involving with our strength and conditioning program that wasnt there last year. If anything our chemistry couldnt get worse than it did last year.

Now "Our Talent is so so" are you kidding me. Now are you? what are you talking about? our quarterback? RT? What do you want bro and all star team??

We have the best cornerback tandem in the nfl.

We upgraded our safety position with depth and veteran Leadership. As well as Laron Landry (who if pans out is maybe the top strong safety in the nfl) Bell? he is faster than e smitty and has better closing speed. Bell would have made that tackle on tebow last year if he was on our team. He doesnt miss tackles. Very consistent. Exactly what we need

ILB Harris, Scott 20 pounds lighter, Davis fast as hell. (Improved)

OLB Pace, Thomas, Sapp, Maybin, (Slightly Improved definetly not worse)

DLINE Wilkerson, Pouha, Coples, Devito, Richardson, (Improved)

OLINE (Not Improved) Same as last year

TE Keller, Hayden Smith, Cumberland back from injury, Linthicum. (maybe slightly improved if not the same)

WR Add Hill Add Schilens. Hill great blocker. Schilens great blocker. Hill downfield deep threat. (Improved)

RB Greene, Mcknight, Powell, Ganaway (Prob the same)

QB Sanchez, Tebow. New OC, this position should see improvement but for your sake (hasnt improved...yet)

So you said that our talent is so so? What did you say last year? or the year before when we made the AFC championship? We are if not 4 or 5 players different from when we went to the AFC championship. We are much improved bro and very talented. Not every team in the nfl has got every position stacked like i guess you want. Idk man whatever

"We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions" Poorly built? really you could have said that last year but let me say this look down the AGE chart on our roster. Our average age is like 26 or 27. Thats pretty damn good for a team as talented as us.

Unwillingness to make hard decisions? what? cut bart scott, cut Santonio holmes? Guy they cant do anything with holmes they tried to trade him but we overpayed him and nobody wants to give up a draft pick and pay someone that much after a lackluster year. Scott? Why cut a guy because hes upset by his team for there lack of chemistry and being sat because of his play. These are tough decisions in keeping these guys. To have Scott come back into camp 20 pounds lighter and in the best shape hes ever been?, something was said and Barts doing what he can. Or wait are you talking about the decision to not cut Wayne Hunter? because i guarantee they wanted to but im guessing to you Sparano wanted him here. Hunters got a fresh start with a new coach and knows that hes got alot to prove. But to say that this management cant make hard decisions is stupid. Because you will never know what goes on behind the scenes. You will never know if theres more to a story. Your just mad because the jets didnt do exactly what you wanted in the offseason.

"You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly"

You must be total old school. Revis was told this contract was TEMPORARY. The jets are suppose to on average pay him 6.75 million the last two years. Look thats on the management and the NFL is a business not fun and games bro. If you can get paid you get paid. You say somethings temporary its temporary. Dont blame Revis for this one.

"a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game" Thanks coach. I didnt know that they were soft and uncommitted. If you look at stats last year Shonn Greene played better than he did in 2010. He fumbled less. He still had over 1000 yards rushing on about 250 carries. Thats not that bad. The problem was Tomlinson, he was slow and couldnt be the back that he was in 2010. It should be the Mcknight show now. Two fresh young backs that should be able to build upon themselves. So i wouldnt go out and say these guys are uncommitted because Shonn greene from what we hear has lossed some weight. We will see this year but i wouldnt go ahead and start calling them soft.

"You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good"

The defense had a chance to close it in Denver.. yes but so did the offense. They failed as the defense played great that whole game. Dallas... Defense won that game. Ravens Defense played great as offense played terrible. Anyways you cant really blame the defense for a a terrible offense. And that was last year! This year the team has new coaches, more talent, faster, and young. We dont know what this year will bring.

All in all dude i dont know what to call your statement. I definetly wouldnt call you a fan of the jets and if i did, i would say you have some grudge against them. Im not about to bust your football IQ because i dont know. But if you want to talk about x's and o's we can. You seem to fail to see the fact that this team is young and faster. There is no more pressure to win the superbowl anymore. The team only has to improve on an 8-8 season. The dead weight in Tomlinson and Burress has been removed. No more trying to get the veteran a superbowl ring. No more complaining about Schotty. Our team is better than its ever been since Rex Ryan has taken it, and its YOUNGER. Rex can finally build this team up to do what he expects.

Lets not forget the jets made it to the AFC Championship in 2009, 2010. Then in 2011 we go 8-8 with a late season debacle and your ready to say we are going even worse than 7-9?? lol real jets fan you are buddy. Show some damn confidence. I have Miami fans up down my neck in other forums saying there team has a chance to make the playoffs. Wtf i dont think they stand a chance but hey atleast they show confidence.


Alright, kid. You're a homer and you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm going to break down that bloated wall of text into the few points it makes because delving through your bumbling verses of insults and misinformation does not excite the prospect of me doing the cutesy micro-quotes to make sure I handle it completely.

Sparano was brought in here because he's a law and order guy. He's old school. He's a solid candidate to get out of control players in line. Namely Santonio Holmes. He was brought in because from a gameplan standpoint he's similar to Rex but when it comes to management he is the exact opposite. Which admittedly is what we need. But those efforts get undercut when Rex STILL REFUSES TO HOLD PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE. I honestly think our team would do better during the coming year if Rex just swallowed the contract and sat Santonio Holmes until he could play nice. I think it would remind this team who is in charge and what the goal is.

But he is not the best game planner in the league. The fact that it's "flatout true" is laughable. Nice buzzwords from your Making Convincing Arguments seminar. He didn't hide his offenses weakness. He strangled the entire unit out to minimize their impact for better or worse. That doesn't work. You can see that because of their inconsistent performances year after year. Teams don't win football games without prolific offensive performances. Sparano doesn't generate those.

Dunbar and Lal? Please explain why you think they're significant difference makers. One got horrible players to play horrible. One got good players to play good. Am I missing something? These aren't on the field legends, they're just guys. Just another coach. Maybe they'll fit in great and everything will go amazingly but we don't have Jared Allen and the Williams Wall. Tell me why you think they're going to improve this team rather than list new acquisitions.

How do I know the chemistry is bad? ON THE JETS? This wasn't a little tiff. Multiple named sources (McElroy, Tomlinson) mentioned the caustic nature of our locker room. Unnamed sources seem to bash players from within the team more often then I have EVER heard from another team.

And then you pinch shut your own argument by literally saying "I guess our chemistry couldn't get any worse than last year", right, so at least we have that to look forward to. But I guess if every player has worked hard this offseason then we'll be fine. That's what you said right? Every player has worked hard this offseason. Just checking. I wanted to make sure I had something to take to the bank.

Our best player is going to hold out. Or is vaguely threatening to do so. It's a little ambiguous, but come on. Read into that. Read into anything, any of the infinite cases of evidence that things are not going well. He's our best player and he's not a leader when we certainly need one.

Talent wise?

I love Sanchez, but if we're saying that our QB situation isn't bottom 10 in the league we're kidding ourselves. Room to grow? Sure. But when we match up against a good team, or most middle of the road teams they are going to have the edge at that position.

We have no legitimate threat at runningback. Unless some of our guys are working hard. Wait, are some of our guys working hard?

At WR we have a perpetually disgruntled star. And a second round draft pick. Here's a sign of a bad team: THEIR FANS KEEP MENTIONING THEIR SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICK. I like Kerley, but come on.

Keller. Yeah, maybe he'll break out this year. Because if he's not going to have done it in the first 3 years (assuming he's working hard, which I believe I have you at your word about) he should certainly get there in year 4. He's definitely not a mediocre TE despite putting up numbers that would say so and blocking that's well below whatever Mendoza line metric you want to come up with.

At OL, we have 2 pluses and 2 minuses and a quickly aging, despite being extremely likable, G in Brandon Moore. But another year and likely another step lost. Even if he stays true to last years form, he was far from a stud. And are we going to keep pretending that D'Brick had a good year last year. He was okay. But not elite. Not great. He was a good starter.

You can dress up our LBs and DL all you want. We don't have an elite pass rusher. Good teams seem to have that in common. They have the thrower, and they have the pass rusher. While I think the hope for this team going forward is the remarkable depth we've assembled on the D Line, lead with potentially premium-tier dudes in Wilks and Coples, that won't be enough. And Coples has plenty of question marks.

Cromartie is hit or miss. As fun as it is to say during the offseason that we have the best tandem in the league, just go back to the gameday threads. Look how often his name is cursed. Or look how often we fail to stop drives at the end of games. Good defenses don't do that. And we don't have an elite passrusher! Have I mentioned we don't have an elite passrusher! No, Aaron Maybin does not count.

Harris is a stud, but he's injury prone and I'm not trying to squash every player on this team. I really do love Harris. He had an All-Pro caliber season last year, he was stunning. But he does have injury questions and his skill-set doesn't bode favorably while paired with Bart Scott. Neither have the range we need.

I haven't addressed Safety yet, but obviously this is just horrible. If I need to explain how Landry and Bell don't fit the bill as down the field cover guys then you haven't watched them. And that is what we need.

So let's do an inventory. What we have going into next season.

We have a really good defensive line, which is going to be our strength. If Coples and Wilkerson play at Pro-Bowl levels it's possible they lead us to the playoffs.

We have some talent at WR, but it's marred by question marks. Each guy has a real big one. Holmes - attitude. Hill - a rookie, likely needing some time to grow from the GT passing attack to the NFLs. Kerley - talent. Schilens - health would be the biggest one. Keller - he's just mediocre he's proven it how many seasons in a row?

Nothing at WR, a mediocre OL all and all.

QB... we're on the same page here right?

We have some solid ILBs. I think Scott will have a big season, and hopefully it will be without the egregious penalties that seem to overshadow even his best plays.

Revis (and specifically not Cromartie, but hey! hopefully Wilson)


It's just not a good team. Where do the wins come from? Rex needs to coach the hell out of this defense, and make sure the offense is autonomous under Sparano (who, I believe has never been an OC before).

Look, I maybe got a little hot headed. But it's because your response was so ridiculous and baseless and, let's be honest, stupid. I get that you like the Jets. I do to. This team needs a lot of work. They just do. Liking a team doesn't mean you just say they're going to be a playoff contender every year.

The architecture has clearly been rushed. Good teams let players go if it's a smart decision. Bad teams give guys like Cromartie and Holmes big contracts. We've cut veterans to make room for stuff like this. As a result we have no leadership. And while Rex is a brilliant DC he isn't capable of making the hard decisions that are required to be a HC.

I really do hope I'm wrong. But mostly I just hope we have the commitment to gut this team next offseason and start fresh. Sorry, this regime has allowed things to fall into such impossible disrepair that I don't see how it could be saved. Yes, the two AFCCGs are a huge deal. Enormous, and because of them you can't really break up the band yet. But one more year? Let's do it then.
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I think we're probably an 8 win team. This is definitely the least excited I've been about a Jets team in a few years. Barely thinking about the season.

I don't expect Sanchez to take a big leap forward. He'll probably get a little better like he has every year so far.

The WR group really worries me. I think it could hold us back a lot.
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Tony Sparano running your offense is not a good thing, I can't really see how some of you guys can think any differently.
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cddolphin wrote:
Tony Sparano running your offense is not a good thing, I can't really see how some of you guys can think any differently.

he did a better job with less talent in miami than we have done in the past few years.

plus the jets arent looking for an insane offense. looking for a dumbed down effective and efficient offense.
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rickyt31 wrote:
On paper we are a 13 win team. But it depends on how we do health wise and if everyone stay on pace. If our Running backs show up, and Sanchez do what I believe he can do, then we will have a great year. Our defense is good now that we added speed.


I think 13 wins with our difficult schedule is a little more hard to imagine.
I would say 11-5 best case scenario for this current team.
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kilahchris wrote:
On paper we are a 13 win team. But it depends on how we do health wise and if everyone stay on pace. If our Running backs show up, and Sanchez do what I believe he can do, then we will have a great year. Our defense is good now that we added speed.


LOLOL what? This is the biggest homer comment I have ever seen from a Jets fan. This isnt a 10 win team on paper. On paper were and 8 win team with the ability to go plus/minus 2 games in either direction.

We didnt address the two biggest needs from last season, RT and FS. We also technically have a sub par QB too. Until all of these things get better lets stop with the .750+ winning percentage.
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