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cutblock7
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 Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: 'Fins weighing franchise tag for Long in 2013 |
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8298a7b0/article/report-fins-weighing-franchise-tag-for-long-in-2013
| Quote: | | Miami Dolphins left tackle Jake Long is unsure if there have been any talks between his agent, Tom Condon, and the team's front office regarding a contract extension, but the four-time Pro Bowler shouldn't plan on leaving South Florida anytime soon. Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald writes that, if a long-term extension is not reached, the Dolphins will use the franchise tag on Long next offseason. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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do it DO IT DO IT!
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cddolphin
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I probably sound like a broken record, but it's rule #1 of my 2 rules.
1) Keep your elite players
2) Draft BPA |
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SUG
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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1st rule in my book:
Avoid using the Franchise tag on an elite player.
In todays modern day NFL the draft pks & the Salary Cap are WAY MORE valuable in the long run.
Trade him to Philly for a couple 2nd rnd pks ASAP !
If you don't have a player under budget nor under contract you don't have Squat !
Buh Bye Jake
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green4gulf
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| SUG wrote: | 1st rule in my book:
Avoid using the Franchise tag on an elite player.
In todays modern day NFL the draft pks & the Salary Cap are WAY MORE valuable in the long run.
Trade him to Philly for a couple 2nd rnd pks ASAP !
If you don't have a player under budget nor under contract you don't have Squat !
Buh Bye Jake
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I agree with you, but I don't know of any precedent of any team ever paying anything substantial for a player not under a multi year contract.....in other words it's not realistic that Philadelphia would do that. |
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skatewood2
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| SUG wrote: | 1st rule in my book:
Avoid using the Franchise tag on an elite player.
In todays modern day NFL the draft pks & the Salary Cap are WAY MORE valuable in the long run.
Trade him to Philly for a couple 2nd rnd pks ASAP !
If you don't have a player under budget nor under contract you don't have Squat !
Buh Bye Jake
sug |
I say tag him and work out a deal or hope someone wants him bad enough. He is worth it. Besides, we do not have anyone on the roster to replace Jake IMO and he is still young enough that if we do start on the road to the playoff's/SB he can still be with the team leading the way. He's a leader and as far as I can tell wants to stay. Let's keep it that way.
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green4gulf
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| skatewood2 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | 1st rule in my book:
Avoid using the Franchise tag on an elite player.
In todays modern day NFL the draft pks & the Salary Cap are WAY MORE valuable in the long run.
Trade him to Philly for a couple 2nd rnd pks ASAP !
If you don't have a player under budget nor under contract you don't have Squat !
Buh Bye Jake
sug |
I say tag him and work out a deal or hope someone wants him bad enough. He is worth it. Besides, we do not have anyone on the roster to replace Jake IMO and he is still young enough that if we do start on the road to the playoff's/SB he can still be with the team leading the way. He's a leader and as far as I can tell wants to stay. Let's keep it that way. |
My only issue with that plan is the amount of money we will continue to spend on the LT position. I do believe it is the way things will play out in the end though. |
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SUG
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| skatewood2 wrote: | | SUG wrote: | 1st rule in my book:
Avoid using the Franchise tag on an elite player.
In todays modern day NFL the draft pks & the Salary Cap are WAY MORE valuable in the long run.
Trade him to Philly for a couple 2nd rnd pks ASAP !
If you don't have a player under budget nor under contract you don't have Squat !
Buh Bye Jake
sug |
I say tag him and work out a deal or hope someone wants him bad enough. He is worth it. Besides, we do not have anyone on the roster to replace Jake IMO and he is still young enough that if we do start on the road to the playoff's/SB he can still be with the team leading the way. He's a leader and as far as I can tell wants to stay. Let's keep it that way. |
Here's some critical issues to consider when you "Tag" a player & how they compromise the entire team.
1. You've tied up the league max in salary in 1 player & you still don't have a contract.
2. If that player gets injured your still on the hook for the salary & under the gun at 1 position.
3. You are relinquishing an opportunity to draft 2 players over 4 yrs at 60% less cash. (under contract)
I'm sorry but unless you are talking about a very good - elite QB ... NO player is worth it.
The days of throwing massive amounts of ca$h at 1st rnd pks outside of a QB are over & done in
the NFL unless you are that well off talent wise & a regular shoe in to make the Playoffs 2 yrs in a row.
Is it any wonder Mia Off is where it is today due to the lack of talent throughout the entire roster to
be worried about one player & his massive salary that we should kiss his arse for 1 yr hoping he
graces us a "nice deal" ...??? 
The Mia Dolphins cannot continue to "set the table" & enable players to get their cash up
front & then just "walk".
We cannot allow for teams like NE or nyj to acquire him, we need to dictate the terms
A 1st rnd OLT & Two 2nd rnd pks in a trade for what were paying J. Long is exactly what Mia needs.
sug
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Miami2DaMax
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Long is the only player that's getting a lot of money on the team and you want to get rid of him? LMFAO. Way to many ignorant so called Miami fans here.
Herp-uh-derp lets get rid of out best player for a shot in the dark!
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FOOTBALLFAN08
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Who cares if you Franchise him for the year ... A top 5 LT getting top 5 money, what a novel concept.
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hammer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SUG wrote: |
Here's some critical issues to consider when you "Tag" a player & how they compromise the entire team.
1. You've tied up the league max in salary in 1 player & you still don't have a contract.
2. If that player gets injured your still on the hook for the salary & under the gun at 1 position.
3. You are relinquishing an opportunity to draft 2 players over 4 yrs at 60% less cash. (under contract)
I'm sorry but unless you are talking about a very good - elite QB ... NO player is worth it.
The days of throwing massive amounts of ca$h at 1st rnd pks outside of a QB are over & done in
the NFL unless you are that well off talent wise & a regular shoe in to make the Playoffs 2 yrs in a row.
Is it any wonder Mia Off is where it is today due to the lack of talent throughout the entire roster to
be worried about one player & his massive salary that we should kiss his arse for 1 yr hoping he
graces us a "nice deal" ...???
The Mia Dolphins cannot continue to "set the table" & enable players to get their cash up
front & then just "walk".
We cannot allow for teams like NE or nyj to acquire him, we need to dictate the terms
A 1st rnd OLT & Two 2nd rnd pks in a trade for what were paying J. Long is exactly what Mia needs.
sug |
Preach it brother ! 
I could not agree more. I will say there's no way New England would give Jake the money he's asking for. That's just not how they roll.
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ukdolfan
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Surely this is in response to a media question. They can hardly say that they aren't going to tag him. It would destroy leverage.
| SUG wrote: |
Here's some critical issues to consider when you "Tag" a player & how they compromise the entire team.
1. You've tied up the league max in salary in 1 player & you still don't have a contract.
2. If that player gets injured your still on the hook for the salary & under the gun at 1 position.
3. You are relinquishing an opportunity to draft 2 players over 4 yrs at 60% less cash. (under contract)
I'm sorry but unless you are talking about a very good - elite QB ... NO player is worth it.
The days of throwing massive amounts of ca$h at 1st rnd pks outside of a QB are over & done in
the NFL unless you are that well off talent wise & a regular shoe in to make the Playoffs 2 yrs in a row.
Is it any wonder Mia Off is where it is today due to the lack of talent throughout the entire roster to
be worried about one player & his massive salary that we should kiss his arse for 1 yr hoping he
graces us a "nice deal" ...???
The Mia Dolphins cannot continue to "set the table" & enable players to get their cash up
front & then just "walk".
We cannot allow for teams like NE or nyj to acquire him, we need to dictate the terms
A 1st rnd OLT & Two 2nd rnd pks in a trade for what were paying J. Long is exactly what Mia needs.
sug |
1. Yes, that's a lot of money and it would be more cap friendly to have a longer deal sorted. Or would you advocate not resigning him at all because it would cost a lot?
2. Yes and no. Yes for that season but long term there are not the financial ramifications of a player getting injured that there would be for a long term deal.
3. What? The only pick you potentially lose by tagging a player is a compensatory selection, and if you sign other FAs you might not even get that.
He is being paid a lot but by not paying him you don't get the opportunity to have very good cheap players through the draft.
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Deets
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Miami2DaMax wrote: | Long is the only player that's getting a lot of money on the team and you want to get rid of him? LMFAO. Way to many ignorant so called Miami fans here.
Herp-uh-derp lets get rid of out best player for a shot in the dark!
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Sorry, I totally agree with you but using pictures to get around the language filter is against the rules.
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SUG
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Miami2DaMax wrote: | Long is the only player that's getting a lot of money on the team and you want to get rid of him? LMFAO. Way to many ignorant so called Miami fans here.
Herp-uh-derp lets get rid of out best player for a shot in the dark!
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Forgive my ignorance but, Options ...?
1). Franchise him for 10+ Million & watch him walk afterwards.
2). Does not yield any financial relief nor talent via the draft the next 4 yrs.
3). Pay him 84 Million+ over 7 yrs cause thats what J. Thomas got in Cle.???
Hey, who the Hell needs a GM to mind the finances or the future of the team when you have
J. Long .... Aww man my bad M2M !
We can just cut 2 other starters currently on the roster & go in the hole financially in a
market that favors draft pks.
We should just keep doing what we've been doing, trashing the Cap !
It's been right under my nose the past 5 yrs, Wow .... why didn't I think of that !?!?
Blasted 
You are so smart M2M, forgive me
Look, if you cant get him to the table at 55- 60 Mill for 5 - 6 yrs ... you are being man handled so
you might as well have a plan of contingency in place to get something in return via draft pks.
What you cannot be allowed to do is franchise him & then watch him walk for nothing !!!
Unacceptable !!!
sug
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Mercury22
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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I would not let Jake Long walk.
If I were king of the forest, I would let him play this year, see how he does, attempt to resign him to a contract based largely on the year he has in 2012 and if he takes it great, if not franchise him.
Letting our best players go is idiotic....oh wait, we've already done that by letting Brandon Marshall go. Oops, idiot alert!!
Actually, I don't think even Jeff Ireland is dumb enough to not see the rare talent Jake Long is. I think he stays put in Miami one way or the other.
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