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 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: Here's to you, Mr. Robinson |
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Third-round draft pick Josh Robinson hasn’t been signed yet, but he isn’t concerned, believing it will happen “real soon.” Robinson prefers to direct his energy to learning the Vikings defense.
Robinson: “All my agent [Drew Rosenhaus] told me is he’s talking with the Vikings. Real soon, whenever that is. We’re just waiting on it. We can’t do anything else. I can’t control it anyway. I’m not going to stress it.”
“I’ve been concentrating a lot on the outside cornerback lately, but I have been told I can start learning nickel to make sure I can help out there if need be. All positions will be learned. I’m definitely up to speed as far as what’s being installed. The coaches do a great job of explaining everything and making sure we have an understanding . We’re even having extra meetings sometimes just to make sure we get it all. Right now, I’m doing pretty well learning everything. Still ironing out, still trying to get better.”
http://min.scout.com/2/1191864.html
coo, coo, ca-choo.
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One of my favorite players in the draft this year, Im glad Mr. Robinson is a Viking.
Great speed, great agility, great athlete, he needs to refine his technique, but the potential is there to be a starter at RCB.
Hopefully they can get him signed here real soon. |
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Rosenhaus being his agent might come to haunt us later.
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I like that he is fast... Thats all I got to say lol
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| HighHopes wrote: | | I like that he is fast... Thats all I got to say lol |
No doubt, especially watching Ced Griffin at RCB over the years. It will be nice to have a CB with 4.3 speed, I dont think MN has had one of those in a long time. The nice thing about a ridiculously fast CB is they can take gambles as they have the recovery speed to outrun most WRs. That ability to take risks will lead to more takeaways, potentially. One concern with extremely fast players is sometimes they lack the short area change of direction skills to be an inside CB, yet Robinson shined at the combine at those tests as well.
It seems like Robinson will be getting worked more at outside CB, but being to play the inside will be key. I kind of see Robinson as a project player while he improves his technique. Let Carr or Bowman start at RCB and slowly work in Robinson as the dime CB, CB is one of those positions where being confident is key and the last thing the team needs to do is rush him into the lineup.
Whether or not Robinson develops into the nickel or the RCB, I hope he works out better than the previous 3rd rd CBs (McCauley/Allen). |
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What type of CB is he?
Does he play off man and uses his closing speed to deflect?
More of a play the QB, then play the WR before the ball is thrown?
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| CriminalMind wrote: | | What type of CB is he? |
POSITIVES: Possesses legitimate NFL cover skills. Has a quick, low backpedal with a fluid hip turn to cover receivers down the field. Has at least adequate straight-line speed and good balance, fluidity to change directions. Alert defender for zone coverage, showing good understanding of route progressions occuring behind him and a quick burst downhill to break on underneath passes in front of him. Very good hand-eye coordination and timing to knock passes away as the receiver attempts to secure the catch. Highly competitive. Raised his level of play against top competition.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1681961/josh-robinson
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| vike daddy wrote: | | CriminalMind wrote: | | What type of CB is he? |
POSITIVES: Possesses legitimate NFL cover skills. Has a quick, low backpedal with a fluid hip turn to cover receivers down the field. Has at least adequate straight-line speed and good balance, fluidity to change directions. Alert defender for zone coverage, showing good understanding of route progressions occuring behind him and a quick burst downhill to break on underneath passes in front of him. Very good hand-eye coordination and timing to knock passes away as the receiver attempts to secure the catch. Highly competitive. Raised his level of play against top competition.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1681961/josh-robinson |
So 4.3 speed is "at least adequate"?
"Highly competitive". Gotta love that. I would love to see that assessment on all of our players. |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | What type of CB is he?
Does he play off man and uses his closing speed to deflect?
More of a play the QB, then play the WR before the ball is thrown? |
He played a lot more zone coverage in college, which is why his technique in man coverage needs a lot of work. Robinson is a bit raw in terms of being a man coverage CB, which is why I dont want to see him thrown to the wolves at RCB. Id rather see him getting his feet wet a bit on the inside, where CBs generally get more opportunities to play zone.
In zone, he does a good job playing the QB, which really is what the Cover 2 requires, but his natural athletic ability and speed suggests he could excel in man coverage if given the opportunity and ability to development properly. |
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J. Rob is one of the guys I was paying attention to before the draft. I love the pick, and the fact that he's putting in time learning everything he can about his position.
Even if he doesn't start immediately, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a decent amount of playing time this season. The Dime fits him this year, because I'm pretty positive when I say Chris Cook will be the #1, and Antoine Winfield will be the #3. That leaves the #2 spot, but that battle should be between Bowman/Carr.
Robinson has a high ceiling though, so even if he is only the Dime CB/Punt Returner, I think he can become a player who will mean so much more.
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | HighHopes wrote: | | I like that he is fast... Thats all I got to say lol |
No doubt, especially watching Ced Griffin at RCB over the years. It will be nice to have a CB with 4.3 speed, I dont think MN has had one of those in a long time. The nice thing about a ridiculously fast CB is they can take gambles as they have the recovery speed to outrun most WRs. |
It's also a case where he's a threat to go the distance on every INT.
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| milanb wrote: | | vikingsrule wrote: | | HighHopes wrote: | | I like that he is fast... Thats all I got to say lol |
No doubt, especially watching Ced Griffin at RCB over the years. It will be nice to have a CB with 4.3 speed, I dont think MN has had one of those in a long time. The nice thing about a ridiculously fast CB is they can take gambles as they have the recovery speed to outrun most WRs. |
It's also a case where he's a threat to go the distance on every INT. |
and punt returns too.
Either way, he's explosive, and I like that we will try to get him on the field as much as possible.
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I liked the pick from a long term perspective. I think he's raw, but with the tools to be good. That's a fine combination for a third round pick.
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | Even if he doesn't start immediately, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a decent amount of playing time this season. The Dime fits him this year, because I'm pretty positive when I say Chris Cook will be the #1, and Antoine Winfield will be the #3. That leaves the #2 spot, but that battle should be between Bowman/Carr. |
I don't get why everyone is saying Winfield will be the #3 CB. Just because he plays the slot in nickel coverage doesn't mean hes the 3rd CB. Thats like those saying Harvin will only be on the field in 3 WR sets because hes usually the slot receiver.
Winfield is our best tackling CB. The majority of the time we are in the 4-3 is on running downs. Why would we keep our best tackling CB on the bench for running plays?
Winfield will be one of the two CBs in the 4-3, Cook being the other. In nickel and dime situations, he will slide inside against a slot guy. So in reality, that leaves the #3 spot, where I see no reason why Robinson cannot be in competition with Carr and Bowman.
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| Klomp wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | Even if he doesn't start immediately, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a decent amount of playing time this season. The Dime fits him this year, because I'm pretty positive when I say Chris Cook will be the #1, and Antoine Winfield will be the #3. That leaves the #2 spot, but that battle should be between Bowman/Carr. |
I don't get why everyone is saying Winfield will be the #3 CB. Just because he plays the slot in nickel coverage doesn't mean hes the 3rd CB. Thats like those saying Harvin will only be on the field in 3 WR sets because hes usually the slot receiver.
Winfield is our best tackling CB. The majority of the time we are in the 4-3 is on running downs. Why would we keep our best tackling CB on the bench for running plays?
Winfield will be one of the two CBs in the 4-3, Cook being the other. In nickel and dime situations, he will slide inside against a slot guy. So in reality, that leaves the #3 spot, where I see no reason why Robinson cannot be in competition with Carr and Bowman. |
I think Winfield can be a 3 down CB, only if he shows that he can still play on the outside. I do have reservations with Winfield being an effective outside CB, it seems like he is best suited as an inside CB, his pure coverage skills seem to have taken a hit the past few seasons. Of course he was hurt last year, but i wouldnt be surprised to see Carr or Bowman as the #2 CB (at RCB), with Winfield coming in during 3 CB sets.
Given how reliable Winfield is in run defense and how he plays like a LB, id probably play a lot more nickel than I would base just to have three CBs on the field at all times while not really losing much in run defense. |
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