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CWood21
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Correct. Rubio is my 11th ranked PG, and that's almost exclusively off of potential. He's the next Steve Nash, which is why I found it ironic that those two were the ones I was deciding upon for that final spot.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| l3lind golfer wrote: | | I agree, Lawson is just flatout better player than Curry and doesn't have Curry's injury concerns. Lawson over Curry is a no-brainer for me. |
Player A: 18.6 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.5 SPG, 3.1 TOPG, .480/.442/.934, .551 eFG%, .595 TS%, 19.4 PER
Player B: 16.4 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 2.4 TOPG, .488/.365/.824, .535 eFG%, .579 TS%, 19.4 PER
Player A is Steph Curry's sophomore season, while Player B is Ty Lawson last season. My question is had that injury not occurred and had that line been his season this year, would you still say Lawson is a "flatout better player than Curry"? If you answer yes, I want an explanation. If you say no, I think the injury is clouting your judgment. An injury that never got fully healed clearly hampered his ability to perform at a high level. Let's wait before we start penalizing Curry because of an injury that never healed.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| DirtyDez wrote: | | Rubio shot 35% from the field. That's worst in the league for PG's. |
He shot .340 behind the arc. I don't expect that FG% to remain that low in the future. He's getting acclimated to the style of play in the NBA, and he's more of a distributor than a scorer.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| green24 wrote: | | Where would you rank Linsanity? |
Probably somewhere in that 15-25 range. It's hard to narrow down without going through the entire list, but I want to see more than an extended stretch of high leveled play.
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1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Deron Williams
5. Kyrie Irving
6. Rajon Rondo
That's my guess at the final 6.
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IrishGreen
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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i love steph curry, he's like one of my favorite players, but he's gonna be dealing with injuries the rest of his career.
i wouldn't put him on this list tbh.
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RockyDennis
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| IrishGreen wrote: | i love steph curry, he's like one of my favorite players, but he's gonna be dealing with injuries the rest of his career.
i wouldn't put him on this list tbh. |
Exactly. These aren't fluke injuries. The dude has the body of a 12 year old girl. He stands a good chance of getting banged up throughout his career. I would sleep much better at night giving Lawson an extension rather than Curry.
Also, those Lawson vs. Curry stats are pretty similar across the board and Lawson put up those numbers as the best player on a playoff team while Curry put up those numbers on a losing team. |
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CWood21
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| RockyDennis wrote: | Exactly. These aren't fluke injuries. The dude has the body of a 12 year old girl. He stands a good chance of getting banged up throughout his career. I would sleep much better at night giving Lawson an extension rather than Curry.
Also, those Lawson vs. Curry stats are pretty similar across the board and Lawson put up those numbers as the best player on a playoff team while Curry put up those numbers on a losing team. |
Again, you're getting way too caught up in the players around each of them. Why do you want to penalize Curry because he plays with a worse supporting cast, but you'll praise Lawson because of his supporting cast? It's amazing that Curry shoots at a better clip despite defenses keying up on him.
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RockyDennis
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| The Nuggets were arguably the most injuried team this season. They had Afflalo, Nene, Gallo, and Chandler all miss extended time. Did you see some of the starting line ups they threw out there? They had Koufos and Mozgov start together at one point in the season. The Warriors 2011 roster wasn't that bad. Tons of posters on this site had them making the playoffs in the preseason prediction thread, ahead of the Nuggets too. |
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CWood21
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| RockyDennis wrote: | | The Nuggets were arguably the most injuried team this season. They had Afflalo, Nene, Gallo, and Chandler all miss extended time. Did you see some of the starting line ups they threw out there? They had Koufos and Mozgov start together at one point in the season. The Warriors 2011 roster wasn't that bad. Tons of posters on this site had them making the playoffs in the preseason prediction thread, ahead of the Nuggets too. |
And the Warriors didn't deal with injuries? In fact, the only player who would have started on a good team was Monta Ellis and they ended up trading him midseason for Andrew Bogut who didn't even play a single game in a Warriors uniform this year because of injury. Dorrell Wright, Brandon Rush, and David Lee were the three leading minute getters outside of Steph Curry and Monta Ellis. If that doesn't tell you the quality of the Warriors team is, I don't know what will. The Nene/Ellis thing is a wash since both of them were traded midseason, so it ultimately comes down to who had better players. Dorrell Wright, David Lee, Brandon Rush, Richard Jefferson, and Klay Thompson or Arron Afflalo, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Al Harrington, and Andre Miller. I'd be willing to bet if we polled this forum which team had the better players, the overwhelming answer would be the Nuggets.
The Warriors roster is awful outside of really Curry, Bogut, and Thompson. And even then you could make a legitimate argument that Klay Thompson's numbers were inflated because of the lack of talent around him. You think it's any coincidence that the Warriors haven't made the playoffs since the 2006-07 season? The Nuggets have made it to the playoffs every year during that same time period. I don't know where you're getting the idea that the Nuggets roster is worse than the Warriors roster.
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RockyDennis
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm talking the 2010-11 Warriors which are the stats you posted for Curry and probably the fair comparison seeing as Curry was hurt all season. |
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CWood21
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| RockyDennis wrote: | | I'm talking the 2010-11 Warriors which are the stats you posted for Curry and probably the fair comparison seeing as Curry was hurt all season. |
Even then, do you really think Lawson/Ellis/Wright/Lee/Biedrins (w/ Acie Law, Reggie Williams, and Vladmimir Radmanovic off the bench) is really better Lawson/Afflalo/Gallinari/Faried/Mozgov (w/ Andre Miller, Al Harrinton, and Wilson Chandler off the bench)? Monta Ellis is probably the single best player aside from the two point guards, but the difference between 3-7 is an easy win for the Nuggets. Afflalo is better than Wright. Faried and Lee are a wash, just Faried is doing the same thing at a much cheaper price. And Biedrins and Mozgov are a wash. Andre Miller is way better than Acie Law, Al Harrington is better than Vladimir Radmanovic, and Wilson Chandler is way better than Reggie Williams. In what world are the 2011-12 Nuggets a worse team than the 2010-11 Warriors? I'd love to know how.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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If this is based on right now, Steve Nash is way too low. If this is based on the future, Nash shouldn't be on this list at all.
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It's not better, and that wasn't my point. My point was Lawson wasn't playing with the greatest supporting cast either. And you can't lay out the line ups like you did seeing as Afflalo, Gallo, Chandler, and Mozgov tons of games.
Curry has a lot of pressure on him this year. With an extension coming soon he needs to show he can stay healthy and start producing wins and not fantasy numbers to show that he is worth $10M a season. Lawson IMO has already proven that and I would give him $10M tomorrow. That has to be a bigger factor in your rankings. |
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CWood21
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| DougE14 wrote: | | If this is based on right now, Steve Nash is way too low. If this is based on the future, Nash shouldn't be on this list at all. |
It's a mixture of both, but with an emphasis on right now.
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