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TedThompson 
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| GBPackers79 wrote: | Teams didn't even want him when he was a FA.  |
Correct.
So why would any of them trade any draft pick for him?
Now I believe they should, that he has value, but other teams don't for some reason. _________________ "It's the same old Jay," Woodson told ESPN afterward. "We just need to be in position. Jay will throw us the ball." |
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Polaris
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it's a two year deal, BUT......
According to the JSO article at the time, the Finley will earn about $5.75 million this year, which is about what he would have made in free agency.
The second year is at over $8 million and it includes a roster bonus. The Packers could part company with Finley and not have to pay it.
So essentially, this is a one year deal with the Packers having the option after this season to either pay Finley like he's a top player in the league or to move forward without him.
If Finley plays well this year, the Packers will pay the $8 million and be happy about it.....actually they'll probably roll it into a long-term deal.
But if he is injured....again....or doesn't play real well, then there's no guarantee he'll be back.
So yes, it's a two year deal. And he could be out of here after 1 year. Or he could leave in FA after two. Or he could be resigned for a long-term deal.
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This has been the point which I have repeatedly tried to make: We have one of the finest receiving groups in NFL history. But it's not going to stay together forever. Jennings and/or Finley could be gone after this season. Driver is at the end.
Now, Nelson is locked up for a while, Cobb is on his rookie deal, and Jones has two more years left. Whether Jennings or Finley is part of the team after this year is yet to be determined. My belief is that if the Packers have to choose one, they'll choose to keep Jennings, but I don't have anything to support that belief other than my gut feeling. |
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SDN40 
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I had Jones' back when everyone wanted to flush him down the toilet - much less try to trade him so I'll have his back this go around too.
I don't know if there is fire but there certainly seems to be a lot of smoke, and for the life of me I really don't understand why. I think Jones is underrated. Whats wrong with 38 catches with 7 tds in his limited playing time ? That's a pretty darn good ratio. Let also toss in an average of about 17 yards per catch.
Bottom line is when Jones plays he gets open. He is probably the strongest wide receiver on the team - reminds me a little bit of Sterling Sharpe. We really don't have a receiver like him. As he gets even more seasoning, I think that he could become an even better position receiver using his body and strength. He can afford to lose a step - where Jennings - not so much.
Speaking of Jennings, do you really want to toss 10 million a year at that guy at this stage of his career and at this stage of the teams cap ? Knee jerk reaction is hell yea, but I'm not so sure about that. Wasn't it Jennings who disappeared for about a four game stretch last year ? I trade Jennings for a low first rounder before I trade Jones for a fourth - but that's not the point.
Everyone loves the new guys because they have visions of them being the next biggest thing- but Borel and Gurley have proven what exactly ? What makes either one of them special ? Can they get open against top tier CB's ? They are just guys - and guys with most likely a lower ceiling that what we already have in Jones.
The time is now. Jones is a valuable asset both financially and on the field. If you start looking to save a nickel here or there, you find yourself with 2 nickels and no competent backup receiver. And not just a backup receiver, but one that Rodgers has confidence in, and one that puts the ball in the end zone every 5 catches. All of that in limited playing time, and at a bargain basement price. _________________
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ajdodge09 
Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 4013 Location: Jobland looking for jobbies.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| kgthekid wrote: | | After last season, Jones' trade value is as high as it will get. May as well strike while the iron is hot if the return is worth it (at least a 2nd or 3rd) |
There's no way. It would be a 6th, maybe 5th at best. If he is traded, I think it would probably be for another player. _________________
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TedThompson 
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| SDN40 wrote: | I had Jones' back when everyone wanted to flush him down the toilet - much less try to trade him so I'll have his back this go around too.
I don't know if there is fire but there certainly seems to be a lot of smoke, and for the life of me I really don't understand why. I think Jones is underrated. Whats wrong with 38 catches with 7 tds in his limited playing time ? That's a pretty darn good ratio. Let also toss in an average of about 17 yards per catch.
Bottom line is when Jones plays he gets open. He is probably the strongest wide receiver on the team - reminds me a little bit of Sterling Sharpe. We really don't have a receiver like him. As he gets even more seasoning, I think that he could become an even better position receiver using his body and strength. He can afford to lose a step - where Jennings - not so much.
Speaking of Jennings, do you really want to toss 10 million a year at that guy at this stage of his career and at this stage of the teams cap ? Knee jerk reaction is hell yea, but I'm not so sure about that. Wasn't it Jennings who disappeared for about a four game stretch last year ? I trade Jennings for a low first rounder before I trade Jones for a fourth - but that's not the point.
Everyone loves the new guys because they have visions of them being the next biggest thing- but Borel and Gurley have proven what exactly ? What makes either one of them special ? Can they get open against top tier CB's ? They are just guys - and guys with most likely a lower ceiling that what we already have in Jones.
The time is now. Jones is a valuable asset both financially and on the field. If you start looking to save a nickel here or there, you find yourself with 2 nickels and no competent backup receiver. And not just a backup receiver, but one that Rodgers has confidence in, and one that puts the ball in the end zone every 5 catches. All of that in limited playing time, and at a bargain basement price. |
Good post... I like Jones too, have all the confidence in the world in him.
We've seen some big drops from him, but he gets open so often he gets in position to have big drops.... he still made a lot of big plays for us, in big games.
And he's a good dude. _________________ "It's the same old Jay," Woodson told ESPN afterward. "We just need to be in position. Jay will throw us the ball." |
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Bizzle
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:04 am Post subject: |
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One of the only team I could see interested would be the Dolphins. He could come in and be the guy, he would start and see a lot of balls. Maybe the author in the newspaper is trying to put some pressure on Miami mgmt. or generate buzz to bring in a guy who knows the offense, can be that possession receiver and help the developing QBs in Miami. I like Jones and what he brings to the team. My view is that with the emergence of Gurly and Borel something has to give. Either we let them walk or we give someone the boot. I am willing to bet someone is willing to give up something for him, the question remains.. how much? If I had to guess, if we could get an early 4th or better we would let him go to a place where he has much more opportunity to prove himself. As much as I hate losing core members to the team, the receiver position is quite loaded at this point. Would also mean the team is very impressed with Borel or Gurly. _________________
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Greg_Jennings 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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What value does he have? He didn't garner much interest in the offseason, what makes you think someone wants to pay extra to get him?
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green24 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I have wondered if the Packers would trade Jones. I had the Jets trading a 4th round pick for him in most of my mocks this past offseason. Considering your plethora of WRs and his contract, would this be fair value for Jones? _________________
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HokieHigh 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| green24 wrote: | | I have wondered if the Packers would trade Jones. I had the Jets trading a 4th round pick for him in most of my mocks this past offseason. Considering your plethora of WRs and his contract, would this be fair value for Jones? |
I agree that a 4th is probably his market value right now.
He is worth far more than that to us though. It would take a 2nd or a 3rd and 6th at least to get him.
We have him on a cheap contract for more years. Thats valuable security at wideout for us and it would cost more than any team would spend to get him. |
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incognito_man 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be pretty surprised if a team gave up a 6th for him. Only way I could see something happen is if a contender thin at WR has a guy go down in T.C. or pre-season and get a bit desperate.
Like if Houston lost Andre Johnson for the season or something. |
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Rams4eva92 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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It will be no higher then a 5th round pick. For crying out loud the Rams gave the Broncos a 5th round pick for Brandon Lloyd last year. Lloyd is a whole lot better than James. _________________
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GBPackers79
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Rams4eva92 wrote: | | It will be no higher then a 5th round pick. For crying out loud the Rams gave the Broncos a 5th round pick for Brandon Lloyd last year. Lloyd is a whole lot better than James. |
A whole lot? I don't know about that.
Regardless, I don't think he's going anywhere. _________________
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Hybridmoon
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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James Jones and a 2013 2nd Round pick to Houston for Ben Tate
They get a starting caliber wide receiver opposite Andre Johnson and we get a starting caliber running back. Everyone is happy. _________________
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Ohio Cheesehead
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Hybridmoon wrote: | James Jones and a 2013 2nd Round pick to Houston for Ben Tate
They get a starting caliber wide receiver opposite Andre Johnson and we get a starting caliber running back. Everyone is happy. |
Id take this trade all day long. Tate is a beast. |
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PossibleCabbage 
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Hybridmoon wrote: | James Jones and a 2013 2nd Round pick to Houston for Ben Tate
They get a starting caliber wide receiver opposite Andre Johnson and we get a starting caliber running back. Everyone is happy. |
Isn't the second round pick a little rich? I'd to Jones for Tate straight up, but I don't think Tate is worth a 2nd by himself, particularly to a team that appears to value the RB position much less than the rest of the league.
Maybe Jones and a fourth for Tate. I'd be okay with a conditional 4th that could go as high as a 2nd if Tate makes the pro bowl in 2012 (which would never happen, considering how much the Packers run the ball.) |
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