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| IDOG_det wrote: | You know, I really don't care if they break a law as long as they don't get suspended for said crime or if it is not a crime that puts anybody in danger. But a DUI? That puts people in danger and I hope he gets punished for it. I know that Schwartz is doing pretty much all he can do to prevent these players from doing stupid stuff, but he needs to take it to another level. It seems these guys are doing this crap when they go back home, so maybe force them to stay in Detroit so they can't go get drunk with their High school and college buddies? Maybe have them pledge on live tv not to break a law? Embarrass them horribly if they do something like this.
Something funny is that he said in an article like a month ago that the #2 CB start was his to lose, well now, he just may have lost it. That could be a way to send a message, don't start these guys who give the Lions a bad rep and break laws, don't just cut the worse guys and wrap Fairley up in a nice fuzzy blanket that will send a bad message. Maybe make a board in the locker room that shows the positive and negative they have done or shown outside of games (so, Stafford, KVB, Backus, Calvin and Burleson would get lots of positive stuff and Fairley, Berry, Leshoure and Titus would get negative). I think painting a bad image of the law breaking players in order to embarrass them, would be the way I'd try to handle it. |
I don't think it's the Lions responsibility to punish him for a DUI. That's what the law and the courts are for. I hope he's punished properly through that venue. If that interferes with his on-field stuff, then the Lions should act. I think the NFL agrees to an extent, but my only real proof is stuff like Stallworth and Vilma receiving the same suspension. I sincerely believe that the NFL only acts in cases like this when they believe their reputation is taking a hit.
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| nagahide13 wrote: | | IDOG_det wrote: | You know, I really don't care if they break a law as long as they don't get suspended for said crime or if it is not a crime that puts anybody in danger. But a DUI? That puts people in danger and I hope he gets punished for it. I know that Schwartz is doing pretty much all he can do to prevent these players from doing stupid stuff, but he needs to take it to another level. It seems these guys are doing this crap when they go back home, so maybe force them to stay in Detroit so they can't go get drunk with their High school and college buddies? Maybe have them pledge on live tv not to break a law? Embarrass them horribly if they do something like this.
Something funny is that he said in an article like a month ago that the #2 CB start was his to lose, well now, he just may have lost it. That could be a way to send a message, don't start these guys who give the Lions a bad rep and break laws, don't just cut the worse guys and wrap Fairley up in a nice fuzzy blanket that will send a bad message. Maybe make a board in the locker room that shows the positive and negative they have done or shown outside of games (so, Stafford, KVB, Backus, Calvin and Burleson would get lots of positive stuff and Fairley, Berry, Leshoure and Titus would get negative). I think painting a bad image of the law breaking players in order to embarrass them, would be the way I'd try to handle it. |
I don't think it's the Lions responsibility to punish him for a DUI. That's what the law and the courts are for. I hope he's punished properly through that venue. If that interferes with his on-field stuff, then the Lions should act. I think the NFL agrees to an extent, but my only real proof is stuff like Stallworth and Vilma receiving the same suspension. I sincerely believe that the NFL only acts in cases like this when they believe their reputation is taking a hit. |
Well, I'm not looking for a suspension from the team, I think the suspensions should be up to the NFL. I was referring to littler things.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| IDOG_det wrote: | | Well, I'm not looking for a suspension from the team, I think the suspensions should be up to the NFL. I was referring to littler things. |
To be perfectly honest, I don't know of a better way for these guys to learn that these actions are unacceptable than for them to experience it first-hand. Thank whomever that nobody was seriously hurt in any of these incidents, but if you can't drive up a phone pole at 3 AM or get drunk and crash into a couple of cars without learning from the experience, you're just not going to make it in this life. They'll eventually do something worse and go to jail Lawrence Phillips style.
I can't say that I think any of these guys will go in one direction or the other, but society has fail-safes in place if they refuse to learn.
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First though...who? 
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| nagahide13 wrote: | Holy overreaction central, batman!
Getting a DUI basically means you're at least temporarily dangerously stupid. It's a crime. That's what law enforcement is for. The NFL is not the US Governments "special punishments for professional football players" arm. Outside of public perception, how does this affect the Lions organization?
What should the Lions do? Work hard and try to win games. What should Schwartz do? Work hard and try to win games. When off the field issues start to interfere with working hard and trying to win games, THEN you institute changes.
People get so caught up in PR that it can sometimes be sickening. Legal action can and will be taken against Berry. It doesn't need to go any further than that. We'll just see whether it does. |
I think everyone is overreacting due to the fact that this is 6 arrests for 1 team in 1 offseason. Not just one isolated incident.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| bungleodeon wrote: | | I think everyone is overreacting due to the fact that this is 6 arrests for 1 team in 1 offseason. Not just one isolated incident. |
I'm not entirely sure why them being on the same team particularly matters. Players are different people that lead different lives. Unless you think the Lions FO is directly promoting drug use and intoxicated driving, what do you think they should do to better control grown men that can legally make their own decisions? We aren't the Patriots, we can't just go around getting rid of players if they don't live their lives "Our Way".
If our fans, because of continuing incidents, start to resent the team, or if any player somehow becomes more trouble then they're worth, we'll let them go. Until that time, all you can really do is shake your fist at them, maybe dock them some dollars, and try to once again explain that grown [inappropriate/removed] adults can't act like intoxicated children or they face legal ramifications and potential loss of an NFL career.
This has nothing to do with the "culture" of the Lions. There are plenty of guys in that locker room that are grateful, mature, responsible and moral people. People are simply connecting non-existent dots all over the map. Somehow Schwartz needs to be fired because he chased after a guy and yelled at him which leads to Suh kicking baby kittens in the face which leads to drug use and drunk driving.
It's not everyone, and Berry's actions (as well as those of Fairley) are absolutely reprehensible. I can't stress how much I agree with that sentiment. It's a terrible thing to do. However, it's something that people seem to do all the time. I'd imagine the statistics are fairly shocking... And I have no idea why the actions of those millions of people should reflect on their employers.
I don't condone these guy's actions at all. I simply feel that people have the right to make amends through the law, and that people have the right to make their own decisions. These player's actions don't make Jeff Backus, or Calvin Johnson, or Nate Burleson, or Jim Schwartz or Martin Mayhew into black-hearted sons of beestings. Your actions are your own, and you alone should face the consequences for them.
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No big deal. Cut him.
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In instances like this I really think the team should levy some sort of punishment against the player. A DUI is a serious offence and should be dealt with accordingly.
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| nagahide13 wrote: | | I'm not entirely sure why them being on the same team particularly matters. |
You're not?
It's becoming clear that the Lions have no problem bringing in guys with character concerns, and now it's hurting them.
I guess you could chalk it up as a coincidence that they all just happen to be on the same team, but I don't see it that way.
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| GBPackers79 wrote: | | nagahide13 wrote: | | I'm not entirely sure why them being on the same team particularly matters. |
You're not?
It's becoming clear that the Lions have no problem bringing in guys with character concerns, and now it's hurting them.
I guess you could chalk it up as a coincidence that they all just happen to be on the same team, but I don't see it that way. |
Every team has issues. GB had Jolly and the wife beater guy. Comes in cycles
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | GBPackers79 wrote: | | nagahide13 wrote: | | I'm not entirely sure why them being on the same team particularly matters. |
You're not?
It's becoming clear that the Lions have no problem bringing in guys with character concerns, and now it's hurting them.
I guess you could chalk it up as a coincidence that they all just happen to be on the same team, but I don't see it that way. |
Every team has issues. GB had Jolly and the wife beater guy. Comes in cycles |
Two instances in like three years vs. 6 in 6 months.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| tom cody wrote: | | In instances like this I really think the team should levy some sort of punishment against the player. A DUI is a serious offence and should be dealt with accordingly. |
I agree completely with this post. I think the Lions need to find a way to punish him. I do think it should be up to the league to dole out suspensions, but if the Lions slapped a hefty fine on him, I would be happy because people can and have died from drunk drivers.
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | No big deal. Cut him. |
What kind of message would that send? It would look like we give special treatment (and it would be special treatment) to Fairley and Leshoure even though they both have committed crimes too.
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| IDOG_det wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | No big deal. Cut him. |
What kind of message would that send? It would look like we give special treatment (and it would be special treatment) to Fairley and Leshoure even though they both have committed crimes too. |
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| TheROARisBACK wrote: | | Honalulufan20 wrote: | | TheROARisBACK wrote: | | Honalulufan20 wrote: | | I hate Aaron Berry with a passion, I really hope they do cut him. Does absolutely nothing but get beat and drop INT's. Make an example out of him and stop the nonsense. |
You seriously don't know what your talking about...And it's funny all of this is about one game where the entire secondary payed terrible and he actually performed well despite the drops. |
I'm not basing this just off the Saints game, I've never really ever been a Berry supporter even at the beginning of this past season. So FYI I'm not judging him off of one game.
I'm not stupid, I know what I'm talking about and I know enough from my own experiences in sports that you shouldn't judge a player based off of one game, because that game might bring out the worst 10% of his game or the best.
Perhaps the Berry supporters should look at other holes in his critics arguments other than to point out their hunch that his critics are judging him off of a garbage performance. Because to be honest, he had about 10 of them the whole year. |
Name those 10 performances.. I' be waiting, because he actually graded out as our best CB.
He had a good season and the only thing holding him back now is durability (and playing in that wretched zone-prevent). |
I found 7 just looking at his stats on espn and off of memory. Excuse the slight three game exaggeration.
There is a reason why every team in the NFL knows we have a weak defensive backfield and he's part of the problem. Spievey is solid, Delmas is above average, and Houston has been a Top 20 corner in the league, so where's the weakness? If we have an average player and two above average players in our backfield, why are we so easy to throw on?
You might say depth is a part of it, but I would disagree slightly because I think Alphonso Smith is a decent dime corner and I think Bentley will be a good nickel this year, and we've heard good things coming from Greenwood and Green for the 5th spot. Are some of those guys weak spots? Maybe, but a 3rd round corner should be an average nickel, Smith can be a good dime corner and the 5th corner just has to be below average and a good special teamer, which I think Greenwood or Green can do that.
So where is the weakness? It's our #2 corner. Earlier in the year it wasn't our pass defense that was the problem, but when Houston and Wright struggled through injury we could only have one on the field at a time. So who was our #2? Berry. When was our pass defense exposed? When he was our #2 corner. What's gonna happen this year? Our pass defense will be exposed because of him, yet again.
Yeah, you might look at the 11 pass deflections this year and say he was a god send during Wright and Houston's injuries, but considering that offenses threw at him on most passing downs, that number becomes far less impressive.
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