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They're gradually gaining a reputation similar to the Bengals. I would not want Schwartz as my coach. Him and Mayhew may have been able to bring the Lions out of 0-16 but they've compromised character and discipline in their journey to 10-6. Mayhew has brought in known character head cases and Schwartz has not brought discipline to that locker room. I don't know how you can solve such a problem. Perhaps cutting the guys out of line but when you've got potential starters in Fairley, Leshoure and Berry, you're going to suffer the loss of talented players.
It'll be interesting to see how they handle this.
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Have the Lions officially surpassed the Bengals as a more troublesome bunch off the field? It seems like once a month another guy is in trouble. Hopefully the coaching staff gets the team together and has a long talk. All the suspensions are bound to take a toll on the team and could leave a few of these guys looking for work.
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I don't know if I should weep or laugh?
Lions is just stacked on tools.
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Superman(DH23)
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The Lions lead the league in penalties and personal fouls
The head coach tried to pick a fight over a handshake
They have had a rash of alleged criminal acts by players
Conclusion-the Lions are an undisciplined team and it starts at the top.
If Schwartz does not get control of his players, it will eventually wind up costing him his job.
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | The Lions lead the league in penalties and personal fouls
The head coach tried to pick a fight over a handshake
They have had a rash of alleged criminal acts by players
Conclusion-the Lions are an undisciplined team and it starts at the top.
If Schwartz does not get control of his players, it will eventually wind up costing him his job. |
If the Lions make it to the playoffs again, no way Mayhew loses his job. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | The Lions lead the league in penalties and personal fouls
The head coach tried to pick a fight over a handshake
They have had a rash of alleged criminal acts by players
Conclusion-the Lions are an undisciplined team and it starts at the top.
If Schwartz does not get control of his players, it will eventually wind up costing him his job. |
Im neutral on the lions and must agree. They need to cut the fat from the team. Theyll still have CJ,Stafford and Suh. No need to poison the rebuilding process.
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | | Have the Lions officially surpassed the Bengals as a more troublesome bunch off the field? It seems like once a month another guy is in trouble. Hopefully the coaching staff gets the team together and has a long talk. All the suspensions are bound to take a toll on the team and could leave a few of these guys looking for work. |
First, the Bengals haven't led the league in arrests for a while now. The reputation is unfair at this point IMO. Second, the Lions do need to get their team under control, but this is Aaron Berry we're talking about. This isn't taking a toll on the team. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Schwartz gave him the beer.
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Holy overreaction central, batman!
Getting a DUI basically means you're at least temporarily dangerously stupid. It's a crime. That's what law enforcement is for. The NFL is not the US Governments "special punishments for professional football players" arm. Outside of public perception, how does this affect the Lions organization?
What should the Lions do? Work hard and try to win games. What should Schwartz do? Work hard and try to win games. When off the field issues start to interfere with working hard and trying to win games, THEN you institute changes.
People get so caught up in PR that it can sometimes be sickening. Legal action can and will be taken against Berry. It doesn't need to go any further than that. We'll just see whether it does.
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| TheROARisBACK wrote: | | Honalulufan20 wrote: | | I hate Aaron Berry with a passion, I really hope they do cut him. Does absolutely nothing but get beat and drop INT's. Make an example out of him and stop the nonsense. |
You seriously don't know what your talking about...And it's funny all of this is about one game where the entire secondary payed terrible and he actually performed well despite the drops. |
I'm not basing this just off the Saints game, I've never really ever been a Berry supporter even at the beginning of this past season. So FYI I'm not judging him off of one game.
I'm not stupid, I know what I'm talking about and I know enough from my own experiences in sports that you shouldn't judge a player based off of one game, because that game might bring out the worst 10% of his game or the best.
Perhaps the Berry supporters should look at other holes in his critics arguments other than to point out their hunch that his critics are judging him off of a garbage performance. Because to be honest, he had about 10 of them the whole year.
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| Honalulufan20 wrote: | | TheROARisBACK wrote: | | Honalulufan20 wrote: | | I hate Aaron Berry with a passion, I really hope they do cut him. Does absolutely nothing but get beat and drop INT's. Make an example out of him and stop the nonsense. |
You seriously don't know what your talking about...And it's funny all of this is about one game where the entire secondary payed terrible and he actually performed well despite the drops. |
I'm not basing this just off the Saints game, I've never really ever been a Berry supporter even at the beginning of this past season. So FYI I'm not judging him off of one game.
I'm not stupid, I know what I'm talking about and I know enough from my own experiences in sports that you shouldn't judge a player based off of one game, because that game might bring out the worst 10% of his game or the best.
Perhaps the Berry supporters should look at other holes in his critics arguments other than to point out their hunch that his critics are judging him off of a garbage performance. Because to be honest, he had about 10 of them the whole year. |
Name those 10 performances.. I' be waiting, because he actually graded out as our best CB.
He had a good season and the only thing holding him back now is durability (and playing in that wretched zone-prevent).
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| nagahide13 wrote: | Holy overreaction central, batman!
Getting a DUI basically means you're at least temporarily dangerously stupid. It's a crime. That's what law enforcement is for. The NFL is not the US Governments "special punishments for professional football players" arm. Outside of public perception, how does this affect the Lions organization?
What should the Lions do? Work hard and try to win games. What should Schwartz do? Work hard and try to win games. When off the field issues start to interfere with working hard and trying to win games, THEN you institute changes.
People get so caught up in PR that it can sometimes be sickening. Legal action can and will be taken against Berry. It doesn't need to go any further than that. We'll just see whether it does. |
The point that a lot of us are trying to make (and others are burying their head in the sand about) is this is effecting on the field performance. You have guys who are suppose to be key cogs in the franchise moving forward (Fairley, Leshoure) getting suspended b/c of bonehead decisions. You have a player who can be as dominant as he wants to be w/ the reputation of being the dirtiest player in the game (and keep in mind, he has been suspended now, there's no going back, no more fines, everytime he has one of those nasty personal fouls now he's going to be suspended longer and longer), and you have a coach who embarrasses himself and more importantly the organization w/ his own actions. Schwartz' lease is only as long as the Lions are good. 1 bad year could very well lead to a quick hook b/c of the fact that he has not generated good PR for the team, that matters a lot. He's going to be taking the blame. Now Bill Ford has shown he'll stick w/ a guy he likes no matter what, but I highly doubt he wants to see his team known as the NFLs thugs. The Raiders relished it, it was their personality, Al Davis believed in "Just Win Baby" there are no owners like Al Davis anymore. If the Lions become the NFLs "bad boy's" in this day and age, house will be cleaned at some point.
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | The Lions lead the league in penalties and personal fouls
The head coach tried to pick a fight over a handshake
They have had a rash of alleged criminal acts by players
Conclusion-the Lions are an undisciplined team and it starts at the top.
If Schwartz does not get control of his players, it will eventually wind up costing him his job. |
Raiders broke the penalty record so no 
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| norcalraider510 wrote: | | Superman(DH23) wrote: | The Lions lead the league in penalties and personal fouls
The head coach tried to pick a fight over a handshake
They have had a rash of alleged criminal acts by players
Conclusion-the Lions are an undisciplined team and it starts at the top.
If Schwartz does not get control of his players, it will eventually wind up costing him his job. |
Raiders broke the penalty record so no |
It may have been penalty yardage but I heard it on NFLN.
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| Superman(DH23) wrote: | | The point that a lot of us are trying to make (and others are burying their head in the sand about) is this is effecting on the field performance. You have guys who are suppose to be key cogs in the franchise moving forward (Fairley, Leshoure) getting suspended b/c of bonehead decisions. You have a player who can be as dominant as he wants to be w/ the reputation of being the dirtiest player in the game (and keep in mind, he has been suspended now, there's no going back, no more fines, everytime he has one of those nasty personal fouls now he's going to be suspended longer and longer), and you have a coach who embarrasses himself and more importantly the organization w/ his own actions. Schwartz' lease is only as long as the Lions are good. 1 bad year could very well lead to a quick hook b/c of the fact that he has not generated good PR for the team, that matters a lot. He's going to be taking the blame. Now Bill Ford has shown he'll stick w/ a guy he likes no matter what, but I highly doubt he wants to see his team known as the NFLs thugs. The Raiders relished it, it was their personality, Al Davis believed in "Just Win Baby" there are no owners like Al Davis anymore. If the Lions become the NFLs "bad boy's" in this day and age, house will be cleaned at some point. |
This is all just more overreaction. Which is actually understandable coming from Bears and GB fans, (there has to be some level of glee about seeing this kind of stuff) but it's still overreaction.
Suh's actions aren't the same as Fairley's actions which aren't the same as Berry's actions. You can't punish Berry for Suh's transgressions. You can't punish Berry more profusely than Fairley, since Fairley's actions are worse. Schwartz has certainly not embarrassed himself OR our organization. Hasn't generated any positive PR? Is that a joke? How about essentially creating the best Lions team in 50 something years?
If Berry isn't suspended, (and I get the feeling he won't be) how does this affect our on-field performance? How on earth does Berry's DUI reflect on his teammates? How on earth does Berry's DUI have anything to do with Fairley's DUI? How do those have anything to do with Suh legally tackling a couple of guys (then stomping on another guy) have anything do do with LeShoure's smoking? Do you think that we have men posted at the entrances and exits of Ford Field handing out drugs, beers and car keys?
This is all speculation and division rival style hate.
You can't just lump the actions of 4 or 5 players into a "culture" of a franchise. You couldn't with the Bengals, (though I did have fun making fun of them) and you can't now. I mean honestly... You'd think a guy that roots for the team that just traded for Brandon Marshall (a single guy with a longer rap sheet than our entire organization combined) would at least attempt to have some perspective... But I guess not.
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You know, I really don't care if they break a law as long as they don't get suspended for said crime or if it is not a crime that puts anybody in danger. But a DUI? That puts people in danger and I hope he gets punished for it. I know that Schwartz is doing pretty much all he can do to prevent these players from doing stupid stuff, but he needs to take it to another level. It seems these guys are doing this crap when they go back home, so maybe force them to stay in Detroit so they can't go get drunk with their High school and college buddies? Maybe have them pledge on live tv not to break a law? Embarrass them horribly if they do something like this.
Something funny is that he said in an article like a month ago that the #2 CB start was his to lose, well now, he just may have lost it. That could be a way to send a message, don't start these guys who give the Lions a bad rep and break laws, don't just cut the worse guys and wrap Fairley up in a nice fuzzy blanket that will send a bad message. Maybe make a board in the locker room that shows the positive and negative they have done or shown outside of games (so, Stafford, KVB, Backus, Calvin and Burleson would get lots of positive stuff and Fairley, Berry, Leshoure and Titus would get negative). I think painting a bad image of the law breaking players in order to embarrass them, would be the way I'd try to handle it.
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