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| 24isthelaw wrote: | Jared Sullinger
upside: Paul Millsap
downside: Glen Davis
Fab Melo
upside: Brendan Haywood
downside: Desagana Diop
Kris Joseph
upside: Landry Fields
downside: Sasha Pavlovic |
Jared Sullinger doesn't have the quickness of Paul Millsap.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Bo_Spice wrote: | | 24isthelaw wrote: | Jared Sullinger
upside: Paul Millsap
downside: Glen Davis
Fab Melo
upside: Brendan Haywood
downside: Desagana Diop
Kris Joseph
upside: Landry Fields
downside: Sasha Pavlovic |
Jared Sullinger doesn't have the quickness of Paul Millsap. |
a downside of Glen Davis isn't accurate either.
I am not sure what his downside could be...But right now he is right around a Glen Davis..so think much lower.
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| amac wrote: | | Kostas Papakao- Michael Jordan |
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Slow down? Nah, my mind was already made up. It's close but pre-acl injury DRose was the better athlete and player.
We will have to see about he future and I still dont think they are built the same, Westbrook is skinnier.
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In college, John Jenkins reminded me a lot of JJ Redick (watched almost ever single game of JJ's career, one of my all time favorite players)/
Both guys have an elite jump shot, that can drain it from feet behind the line with unbelievable shooting strokes. Each of their downfalls are pretty much tied to their lack of athleticism. They both struggle trying to create for themselves, and getting through the lane to the rim. (I think Redick has gotten better at it). Both guys have average builds at best, not being very strong. They both have okay height, Jenkins about 6'4 or 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan though which is nice.
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| coors wrote: | In college, John Jenkins reminded me a lot of JJ Redick (watched almost ever single game of JJ's career, one of my all time favorite players)/
Both guys have an elite jump shot, that can drain it from feet behind the line with unbelievable shooting strokes. Each of their downfalls are pretty much tied to their lack of athleticism. They both struggle trying to create for themselves, and getting through the lane to the rim. (I think Redick has gotten better at it). Both guys have average builds at best, not being very strong. They both have okay height, Jenkins about 6'4 or 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan though which is nice. |
Redick has really improved his ability to drive. He also has a nice little step-back game and will hit that mid-range all day long. If the Magic weren't so stupid I think he could be a catalyst for that team... however, he's terrible defensively. But yes, I see Jenkins as a similar player, but with a slightly better frame.
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| turtle28 wrote: | Slow down? Nah, my mind was already made up. It's close but pre-acl injury DRose was the better athlete and player.
We will have to see about he future and I still dont think they are built the same, Westbrook is skinnier. |
Then if Westbrook has a skinnier build, but only is 3 pounds lighter, than he has more muscle on his frame...
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Rose is by far better than Russ..
Rose has better body control..
Russ might be faster or jump out the gym. But he'll never be better than Rose. He doesn't have that pass mentality. He has a scorers mentality.
Rose is being severely underrated now. Time after time in the Finals West would drive and miss a clear lay up. Rose does not miss those..
Rose would be fine. He has a psychos mentality, he has that Jordan/Kobe mindset. He won't stop. He's a hard worker. He wrote something not that long ago that he's gonna come back much hungrier. Plus ACL are common injuries now. If this was the 90's or early 2000's then yes. But the medical field has advanced so much.
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | Slow down? Nah, my mind was already made up. It's close but pre-acl injury DRose was the better athlete and player.
We will have to see about he future and I still dont think they are built the same, Westbrook is skinnier. |
Then if Westbrook has a skinnier build, but only is 3 pounds lighter, than he has more muscle on his frame... |
How so? Muscle weighs more...
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| Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose. I agree with that. He isnt a better PG though. Thats insane to think that. I think asking who the better basketball player would make the discussion closer. But Westbrook isnt the better PG and thats a fact. |
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| dante9876 wrote: | | Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose. I agree with that. He isnt a better PG though. Thats insane to think that. I think asking who the better basketball player would make the discussion closer. But Westbrook isnt the better PG and thats a fact. |
No one, at least I, never said that. He's definitely a better defender and rebounder, and definitely a worse decision maker and passer. However he's shown more flashes in the category of the latter two than Rose has in the former two.
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| El ramster wrote: | Rose is by far better than Russ..
Rose has better body control..
Russ might be faster or jump out the gym. But he'll never be better than Rose. He doesn't have that pass mentality. He has a scorers mentality.
Rose is being severely underrated now. Time after time in the Finals West would drive and miss a clear lay up. Rose does not miss those..
Rose would be fine. He has a psychos mentality, he has that Jordan/Kobe mindset. He won't stop. He's a hard worker. He wrote something not that long ago that he's gonna come back much hungrier. Plus ACL are common injuries now. If this was the 90's or early 2000's then yes. But the medical field has advanced so much. |
What's your definition of a clear layup?  Westbrook did miss clear layups. Westbrook misses layups like the one in game 4, where he burned Haslem with one step, then jumps and splits two other guys immediately and lays it in off hand it rolls out of the rim. In no world is that an easy layup. Just because he makes getting to the rim so easy doesn't make it an easy layup
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose. I agree with that. He isnt a better PG though. Thats insane to think that. I think asking who the better basketball player would make the discussion closer. But Westbrook isnt the better PG and thats a fact. |
No one, at least I, never said that. He's definitely a better defender and rebounder, and definitely a worse decision maker and passer. However he's shown more flashes in the category of the latter two than Rose has in the former two. |
Disagree. Rose could be just as good or close to a rebounder as Westbrook is. We just dont need him to be. If we wasnt the number 1 rebounding team 2 years in a row than maybe I would like to see Rose crash the boars more and go for rebounds more. But that isnt what he is told to do. Rose is told to be the outlet guy. If you watch the Bulls rose is bringing it up the court 95% of the time he is on the floor. Westbrook has more luxury of crashing boards cause Durant and Harden can also bring it up the floor. He also doesnt have a great rebounding team like Rose has either.
Also Westbrook isnt close to the passer Rose is IMO. Rose average 8 assists with no dominate scorers on his team. |
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| dante9876 wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose. I agree with that. He isnt a better PG though. Thats insane to think that. I think asking who the better basketball player would make the discussion closer. But Westbrook isnt the better PG and thats a fact. |
No one, at least I, never said that. He's definitely a better defender and rebounder, and definitely a worse decision maker and passer. However he's shown more flashes in the category of the latter two than Rose has in the former two. |
Disagree. Rose could be just as good or close to a rebounder as Westbrook is. We just dont need him to be. If we wasnt the number 1 rebounding team 2 years in a row than maybe I would like to see Rose crash the boars more and go for rebounds more. But that isnt what he is told to do. Rose is told to be the outlet guy. If you watch the Bulls rose is bringing it up the court 95% of the time he is on the floor. Westbrook has more luxury of crashing boards cause Durant and Harden can also bring it up the floor. He also doesnt have a great rebounding team like Rose has either.
Also Westbrook isnt close to the passer Rose is IMO. Rose average 8 assists with no dominate scorers on his team. |
Westbrook is a better passer than he's given credit for. I haven't claimed he's on Rose's level. However, it helps Rose as far as assist totals go that he doesn't have a dominant scorer in some sense. Westbrook rarely gets an assists out of Durant or Harden due to the fact that even if they're given a good look off the pass, they're more prone to drive or try and create an even better shot for themselves.
Also, convenient of you to not talk about rebounding. But I guess you actually know Rose's limits unlike some. Westbrook is a far better defender.
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| Tatupu_64 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Tatupu_64 wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose. I agree with that. He isnt a better PG though. Thats insane to think that. I think asking who the better basketball player would make the discussion closer. But Westbrook isnt the better PG and thats a fact. |
No one, at least I, never said that. He's definitely a better defender and rebounder, and definitely a worse decision maker and passer. However he's shown more flashes in the category of the latter two than Rose has in the former two. |
Disagree. Rose could be just as good or close to a rebounder as Westbrook is. We just dont need him to be. If we wasnt the number 1 rebounding team 2 years in a row than maybe I would like to see Rose crash the boars more and go for rebounds more. But that isnt what he is told to do. Rose is told to be the outlet guy. If you watch the Bulls rose is bringing it up the court 95% of the time he is on the floor. Westbrook has more luxury of crashing boards cause Durant and Harden can also bring it up the floor. He also doesnt have a great rebounding team like Rose has either.
Also Westbrook isnt close to the passer Rose is IMO. Rose average 8 assists with no dominate scorers on his team. |
Westbrook is a better passer than he's given credit for. I haven't claimed he's on Rose's level. However, it helps Rose as far as assist totals go that he doesn't have a dominant scorer in some sense. Westbrook rarely gets an assists out of Durant or Harden due to the fact that even if they're given a good look off the pass, they're more prone to drive or try and create an even better shot for themselves.
Also, convenient of you to not talk about rebounding. But I guess you actually know Rose's limits unlike some. Westbrook is a far better defender. |
Think you meant defense. nd yes I do believe Westbrook is better in that aspect. |
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