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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hrubes how much have you been paying attention to the 2013 draft class?


Probably more than I should be at this point. So much time for things to change, but with the Cubs sucking this year and getting the #2 pick, and with the minor league season ending, I had to keep myself occupied when I didn't feel like working.


Who are your top 5 as of right now?


As of RIGHT NOW:

1. Ryne Stanek
2. Clint Frazier
3. Austin Meadows
4. Sean Manaea (based on improvements he showed in the Cape League)
5. Mark Appel


I'm probably lower on Appel than anyone and higher on Frazier and Manaea. Unless Appel makes changes to his fastball, I'm not a fan. Too little movement and too few strikes thrown with it. Frazier blew me away in the video I've seen of him. Terrific athlete (6.4 60), tremendous arm (clocked in mid-90's), great bat speed, plus power potential and he already has solid pitch recognition (likely due to his bat speed which allows him a millisecond more to pick up the spin of the ball, release point, etc.) I'm a sucker for bat speed like this.

As for Manaea, he was an interesting prospect going into the Cape League. He pitched in the 93-95 range for about 4-5 innings during his Sophomore year, but would be 89-91 by the 5th-6th and his breaking ball would lose its bite. Fast forward to the Cape League, and Manaea is throwing 94 in the 7th inning with a terrific slider and average changeup. He struck out 85 players in 51.2 innings while only issuing 7 walks. Small sample size caveats apply, as it was only 8 GS, but Manaea showed exactly what he needed to. Time will tell, but he looks to be on a very Chris Sale-ish career path. I'm buying the improvement right now.
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Hrubes how much have you been paying attention to the 2013 draft class?


Probably more than I should be at this point. So much time for things to change, but with the Cubs sucking this year and getting the #2 pick, and with the minor league season ending, I had to keep myself occupied when I didn't feel like working.


Who are your top 5 as of right now?
Appel, Stanek, Austin Wilson (the Stanford OF), Austin (the GA HS OF, can't remember his last name), and Trey Ball is probably mine. Not sure though.

This draft sucks.


I just need to see more of Austin Wilson before I put him up there. Tools are there, but I'm gun-shy with Stanford hitters. Not sure he'll make enough contact. I kept Trey Ball out of my top 5 as well, based on some late summer reports of him sitting high 80's. If he's the 91-95 guy all the time, I'm a fan. But if he's already facing severe velocity fluctations after the minimal workload increase of the summer showcase tour, there might be a bit of a red flag.

As for the draft as a whole, yeah, it's another down year. Without someone taking that next step, the top looks eerily similar to 2012.
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BA's Jim Callis said that Mets RHP Michael Fulmer has top of the rotation potential.

Fulmer in the SAL as a 19 year-old: 2.58 ERA, 3.27 FIP, 1.19 WHIP, 8.39 K/9.

Fulmer can reach 96-97 with his fastball and has a plus slider. Some scouts were quoted as saying that Fulmer could probably survive in the MLB right now. There might be a decent chance that he makes Callis' top 100 this year. With Matt Harvey's eligibility used up, Fulmer is likely the Mets' second best pitching prospect.
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[Zack Wheeler]s possibly the best pitching prospect Ive ever seen, Erie manager Chris Cron said. He has all the pitches and a free and easy delivery. He can go 98, 88, then 78 at will. For a kid, he really looks like he knows how to pitch because he changes speeds really well.

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Cron is the manager for the AA affiliate of the Detroit Tigers.
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George Springer and Jonathan Singleton are killing it so far in the AZFL.
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Jason Parks just put in a marathon chat over at BP. He had some good stuff in there, but the best line of the chat was his answer to how legit Jorge Soler is:

"He could be a monster that scares opposing pitchers like Daniel Craig scares my heterosexuality."
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George Springer and Jonathan Singleton are killing it so far in the AZFL.


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I'm gonna be fairly bored at work this afternoon and feel like talking prospects. Anybody wanna ask about what I think about prospect X?

Just to get it started, a top 20:
1. Jurickson Profar
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Dylan Bundy
4. Taijuan Walker
5. Wil Myers
6. Francisco Lindor
7. Jose Fernandez
8. Shelby Miller
9. Xander Bogaerts
10. Gerri Cole
11. Trevor Bauer
12. Zack Wheeler
13. Nick Casellanos
14. Mike Zunino
15. Javier Baez
16. Tyler Skaggs
17. Miguel Sano
18. Travis d'Arnaud
19. Archie Bradley
20. Byron Buxton
HM: Jameson Taillon
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Bundy out of the top 2 and Taillon not in the top 20 are a bit surprising.

I'll start it off with a Mets question. Who is the best hitting prospect (Flores, Nimmo) and who is the second best pitching prospect (Fulmer, Familia) in the system? Zack Wheeler is obviously first and Matt Harvey would be second if he hadn't pitched over 50 MLB innings.

Who would you consider the best out of Rafael Montero, Domingo Tapia, and Aderlin Rodriguez?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It hurts me in the heart to see Zac Wheeler in the top 15....*sigh*
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It hurts me in the heart to see Zac Wheeler in the top 15....*sigh*

It doesn't hurt me. Twisted Evil

Then again, you have a World Series to enjoy right now.
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It hurts me in the heart to see Zac Wheeler in the top 15....*sigh*

It doesn't hurt me. :twisted:

Then again, you have a World Series to enjoy right now.


That Beltran had absolutely no hand in.

I hate how Brian Sabean works sometimes...but then again....We have a ring and were playing for another one right now. Sooooo yeah.
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ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
I'm gonna be fairly bored at work this afternoon and feel like talking prospects. Anybody wanna ask about what I think about prospect X?

Just to get it started, a top 20:
1. Jurickson Profar
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Dylan Bundy
4. Taijuan Walker
5. Wil Myers
6. Francisco Lindor
7. Jose Fernandez
8. Shelby Miller
9. Xander Bogaerts
10. Gerri Cole
11. Trevor Bauer
12. Zack Wheeler
13. Nick Casellanos
14. Mike Zunino
15. Javier Baez
16. Tyler Skaggs
17. Miguel Sano
18. Travis d'Arnaud
19. Archie Bradley
20. Byron Buxton
HM: Jameson Taillon


See Miller worked his stock back up.
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green24 wrote:
Bundy out of the top 2 and Taillon not in the top 20 are a bit surprising.

I'll start it off with a Mets question. Who is the best hitting prospect (Flores, Nimmo) and who is the second best pitching prospect (Fulmer, Familia) in the system? Zack Wheeler is obviously first and Matt Harvey would be second if he hadn't pitched over 50 MLB innings.

Who would you consider the best out of Rafael Montero, Domingo Tapia, and Aderlin Rodriguez?
Went back and forth on Bundy v Taveras for a while. What sold me was this. Oscar Taveras' AA debut had the following elements:
Arrow He was 20
Arrow He posted an ISO of .250
Arrow He had a walk rate of nearly 8%
Arrow He had a K rate of barely over 10%

That's just...crazy. Absolutely crazy.

Taillon was 21. Fastball isn't much more than a 65 - it's too straight. Good hitters will square it up, so I see more of a #2 than a #1/ace.

I like Nimmo over Florez, even though I actually typed it the other way. Nimmo has more power projection and the walks are really nice. There's substantial upside with him, but I think he ends up more above-average regular than star.

Of the rest of the guys, I like Tapia. He gets ragged on for his crappy secondary stuff, but guys who have 95+ mph fastballs with run can figure the rest out. His secondary stuff if always going to play up.
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Dr. Philly wrote:
ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
I'm gonna be fairly bored at work this afternoon and feel like talking prospects. Anybody wanna ask about what I think about prospect X?

Just to get it started, a top 20:
1. Jurickson Profar
2. Oscar Taveras
3. Dylan Bundy
4. Taijuan Walker
5. Wil Myers
6. Francisco Lindor
7. Jose Fernandez
8. Shelby Miller
9. Xander Bogaerts
10. Gerri Cole
11. Trevor Bauer
12. Zack Wheeler
13. Nick Casellanos
14. Mike Zunino
15. Javier Baez
16. Tyler Skaggs
17. Miguel Sano
18. Travis d'Arnaud
19. Archie Bradley
20. Byron Buxton
HM: Jameson Taillon


See Miller worked his stock back up.
I never bought him dropping in the first place. He's still got basically everything you look for in a #1. He's a physical, good athlete, great size, 70 FB, 60+ breaking ball, flirting with a changeup, and developing a profile for control/command.

The reasons for dropping him and the off the field stuff is stupid.
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