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ramssuperbowl99


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Blue Jays, AA Sign Melky Cabrera to 2 year/$16 M Deal Reply with quote

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/blue-jays-to-sign-melky-cabrera.html

Absolute steal here for the Jays, who may be the favorites in the AL East.

1. Reyes, SS
2. Cabrera, LF
3. Bautista, RF
4. Encarnacion, 1B
5. Lawrie, 3B
6. Lind/Buck/whoever, DH
7. d'Arnaud/Arenciaba/Buck, C
8. Rasmus, CF
9. Bonafacio/Izturis, SS

EDIT: Just going to do some back-of-the-hand WAR add ups:
Lineup
1. Reyes - 5 WAR
2. Cabrera - 3 WAR
3. Bautista - 6 WAR
4. Encarnacion - 3 WAR
5. Lawrie - 4 WAR
6. DH - 1.5 WAR
7. C - 2 WAR
8. Rasmus - 1.5 WAR
9. 2B - 2 WAR

Rotation
1. Johnson - 4 WAR
2. Morrow - 3 WAR (maybe a touch aggressive)
3. Buehrle - 2 WAR
4. Romero - 2 WAR
5. Happ - 1 WAR

I'll throw the bullpen 4 WAR total.

Lineup adds up to 28, rotation gives you another 12, and bullpen adds 4 more. Total of 44. Replacement team wins about 47 games, putting them at 91.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gtfo really ?? Cool

I love this !! Wtf other GM's doing?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BillsGuy82 wrote:
Gtfo really ?? Cool

I love this !! Wtf other GM's doing?
Not being as good as their jobs as AA is.

The Blue Jays now have a ton of depth with Cabrera, Rasmus and Bautista in the OF, Rajai Davis as a super sub, and Anthony Gose a short flight away. Cabrera probably won't be a 4.5 WAR player this next year, but he might be worth 3.5 and fills the only real hole in that lineup.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.
They are paying as if he had a market value of 1.6 WAR/year. I'd say he's a good bet to do substantially better than that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chances they underachieve again. I assume they will yet again.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.
They are paying as if he had a market value of 1.6 WAR/year. I'd say he's a good bet to do substantially better than that.


I'm not saying its a bad deal because its not, but this is a half-assed effort of going all out.

Pull an Angels and sign Josh, not the 2nd tier guy.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello Rubin Amaro, we could have signed this guy.... The Jays look so nasty on paper hopefully they make noise in the Al east this great move by them
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.
They are paying as if he had a market value of 1.6 WAR/year. I'd say he's a good bet to do substantially better than that.


I'm not saying its a bad deal because its not, but this is a half-assed effort of going all out.

Pull an Angels and sign Josh, not the 2nd tier guy.
No reason to break the bank for the sake of breaking the bank.

Melky Cabrera isn't THAT much worse than Josh Hamilton, you're getting Cabrera at a discount, you're paying for Cabrera's prime years (as opposed to Hamilton's decline phase), and you aren't sacrificing the future of the roster.

Actually, as much as we think the Jays are 'going for it' (and they clearly do want to win the division in 2013), what have they given away from their future roster? Marsinick was stuck behind Gose in the eyes of the organization. Nicolino might be their 5th best pitching prospect.

The Angels went for it and sacrificed their future to do so. The Jays just made a whole lot of smart baseball moves.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
ramssuperbowl99 wrote:
DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.
They are paying as if he had a market value of 1.6 WAR/year. I'd say he's a good bet to do substantially better than that.


I'm not saying its a bad deal because its not, but this is a half-assed effort of going all out.

Pull an Angels and sign Josh, not the 2nd tier guy.


No need to waste money on an overated player.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken Rosenthal is also suggesting another SP.. To add to this signing, I don't think he repeats last year, but he sees pitches and if he and Reyes get on base the beef of order are gonna see quality pitches. This IMO is a role signing.

I don't see how Josh Hamilton matters here.. We have power, we need high OBP guys to grind pitchers and set table.. Reyes/Cabrera on paper fit this.. Thank You AA !!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good time to be a blue jays fan.

Would be nice to see Lind and Buck traded but besides that I am ecstatic over the offseason. Unreal.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like AA is going to go for it this year. For his sake I hope Johnson can stay healthy and be the ace for them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also hope this trade goes thru!! Maybe we shouldn't put cart in frontof horse yet lol
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DalCowboyzRule wrote:
Shoulda gone all out and offered Hamilton $150 million.

Melky is coming off a career year and will likely regress.


That'd be a horrible idea. Melky provides them a great bat at the top of the order for much cheaper than Hamilton. They don't need to spend that kind of coin for another power hitter. They've already got several of those.
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