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neezy007
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| Mossburg wrote: | | Packman Luke wrote: | Neat. Machida could beat Jones. He won't though.
lulz, I forgot about Hendo too. |
Henderson = unconscious man walking |
I'm tweeting this. LOL
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Mossburg
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Mossburg wrote: | | TheOsprey wrote: | | Packman Luke wrote: | Neat. Machida could beat Jones. He won't though.
lulz, I forgot about Hendo too. |
Machida cannot beat Jones. His performance tonight cemented that for me. That first round was flat out boring. No consistent offense from Machida and definitely none from Bader. |
I think you're missing the point. That is the beauty of Machida, fighters don't know how to attack him. Randy said it best, he's still an enigma, you have to be VERY skilled with your striking to be effective. Bader had no idea what to do, and Machida picked him apart perfectly. Machida's offense is very selective. Watch the Jones fight again, he attacked more there than probably any other fight.
Machida is extremely intelligent and skilled. |
What's so hard? Bader did nothing! He just stood there and got kicked once every 30 seconds. In between, they just circled one another. If you do nothing, of course you're gonna lose. If you come into a fight with absolutely no strategy (as you suggest Bader had), he shouldn't have agreed to the fight. |
It was a bad matchup to start with. Nobody has ever taken Machida down. Machida does this to everyone unless they're skilled enough on the feet.
In all sports, sometimes what you draw on the board before gameday, doesn't work out on gameday. Few fighters force that, Machida is definitely one of them.
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Packman Luke
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bader's plan was to rush in and force a clinch to grind out a controlling decision. It's how Page did it. It did not work.
Machida was impressive. His style/gameplan forced Bader into a position that led to the KO. And it was one helluva KO.
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TheOsprey
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Packman Luke wrote: | Bader's plan was to rush in and force a clinch to grind out a controlling decision. It's how Page did it. It did not work.
Machida was impressive. His style/gameplan forced Bader into a position that led to the KO. And it was one helluva KO. |
If that was Bader's game plan, why did he wait until round 2 to try it? What was his strategy in round 1, to circle Machida and make him dizzy? |
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neezy007
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Bader has nothing for Machida.
Karate boy is going to have to drop to 185 after he takes another L.
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ravens_rool28
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Shogun>>>Machida
Jones>>>>lol>>>>>Shogun
Therefore...
Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Machida
Simple math, really.
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Packman Luke
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| neezy007 wrote: | Bader has nothing for Machida.
Karate boy is going to have to drop to 185 after he takes another L. |
That would be ideal. Jones proves the first win wasn't a fluke (not that people are thinking that now, but years down the line I can see h8erz making that argument) and Machida gets to compete at the top of another division for a few years before retiring.
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Packman Luke
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TheOsprey wrote: | | Packman Luke wrote: | Bader's plan was to rush in and force a clinch to grind out a controlling decision. It's how Page did it. It did not work.
Machida was impressive. His style/gameplan forced Bader into a position that led to the KO. And it was one helluva KO. |
If that was Bader's game plan, why did he wait until round 2 to try it? What was his strategy in round 1, to circle Machida and make him dizzy? |
He rushed in a few times. I know he got clipped at least once, whiffed at least once, and locked over/unders once. (and Machida stonewalled him) I'm sure Machida's footwork is what forced him to become progressively more aggressive, leading to the KO.
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Packman Luke
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OK, so I figure this is probably the best place to start with this. I'm playing with the idea of running a custom-character CPU vs. CPU simulation tournament through the UFC 3 video game.
Essentially what this would be is everybody who joins creates a fighter (either in the thread or with the game if they own it) and then somebody (likely me) runs a tournament with the fighters simulating the fights, and records and reports the results. It would resemble HH's Street Fighter Sim league
Right now my concerns are how demanding the Create-A-Fighter set-up is (it will likely take a one-time 40 or so minute commitment, and if done through the thread a good amount of math) and my lack of recording devices. So yeah, I'm just gauging interest in people joining or helping me run something like this.
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Kaloo
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| Mossburg wrote: | | Machida is extremely intelligent and skilled. |
That KO was a thing of beauty. He's such a technician, it's a joy to watch for me. Such a rare type a fighter in the UFC. |
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Quote: | | Machida looked almost uninterested in this fight and pretty much waited for Bader to run into his fist. |
Have you ever watched Machida fight before? That's what he does, he's a defensive fighter, that's how he's always fought. He's going to wait for the opponent to make a move, he'll counter it, and that's his style.
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Any thoughts on Edgar Bendo II? I personally think Edgar will win this time around. He was a little off in their first fight and I just can never count the guy out anymore after all the surprisingly great performances he's put in the last couple years. It doesn't really matter to me though since I think Nate Diaz beats both of them if he keeps up his current run. Jim Miller is a great MMA wrestler and Nate had no trouble with him at all.
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Packman Luke
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| ArodFanboy wrote: | | Any thoughts on Edgar Bendo II? I personally think Edgar will win this time around. He was a little off in their first fight and I just can never count the guy out anymore after all the surprisingly great performances he's put in the last couple years. It doesn't really matter to me though since I think Nate Diaz beats both of them if he keeps up his current run. Jim Miller is a great MMA wrestler and Nate had no trouble with him at all. |
Eh, not terribly impressed with Jim Millers wrestling, but Diaz presents problems for both guys. Can Bendo escape the high level submissions of Diaz? Can Edgar out-box Diaz? I think Edgar-Diaz would look a lot like Condit-Diaz, unfortunately.
As far as Bendo-Edgar, I remember thinking that Bendo looked like the better fighter all night, and was using his size advantage perfectly. With Edgar's style hough, he's capable of winning 3/5 rounds against anybody at LW.
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Mossburg
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I kind of just want Edgar to go away. I got nothing but respect for what he's doing, and he's maximizing his strengths, especially in a sport where other guys cut weight and he looks like a featherweight, but it gets tiring watching a dude do nothing but try to outpoint his opponent in every single fight; plus his fights are 5 rounders nowadays. I don't mind Condit's strategy vs Diaz, it was smart and a one time thing. With Edgar it's all we see.
I don't care to see him fight anyone other than Jose Aldo. That's definitely the only fight I would pay to see Edgar in.
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Packman Luke
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I definitely get where you're coming from, and I agree for the most part, but he did just knockout Gray Maynard, and the only other person to ever do that is Gray Maynard.
That said, he never really ever rocked anybody else since what, Hermes Franca? He's definitely got flyweight caliber power, and a fight between him and Aldo would be great.
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